User talk:71.126.236.124
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[edit] Old Roman chant
Regarding your changes of "Roman chant" to "Old Roman chant" — I had deliberately said "Roman" instead of "Old Roman," for two reasons. There is some speculation that the Old Roman chant may have been the local traditions of the city churches of Rome, as opposed to the Vatican. If that's the case, then the Pope would not have used Old Roman chant. Also, I think of "Old Roman" as specifically referring to the local tradition of Rome as it had evolved by the 12th and 13th centuries, when it was notated, as opposed to the "proto-Roman chant" that was the progenitor of both the Gregorian and Old Roman traditions. What is your reasoning for using "Old Roman"? I'm mostly working from Apel, Hiley, and of course Grove. It's not a big deal, since "Old Roman" could be broadly interpreted as any non-Gregorian chant in Rome, but if you've got a source that ties the extant Old Roman chant to the pre-Gregorian traditions, I'd love to use it for the Celtic chant and Old Roman chant articles. Peirigill 20:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- I understand. In my (albeit more limited) experience, I have always heard the term used more broadly, as a sort of catchall for what you have termed "Old Roman" and "proto-Roman". This is, in light of what you say, a little sloppy.
- The reason I made the change was not to assert that it was the specifically later Medieval Old Roman chant being used. Rather, it struck me as odd that, in the several places where the article refers to Gregorian chant as a mixture of Roman and Gallican, there is a link to the separate article on Gallican chant, but not much information nor a link to information (unless I missed it) about what is termed "Roman chant". So the reader who doesn't know much about proto-Roman or Old Roman chant has no easy way of finding out about it. So it was more about user-friendliness than an attempt to make a specific historical point.
- In light of what you say, however, linking to the page on Old Roman chant is probably inappropriate.
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- I see your point. I've changed the references back to "Roman chant" instead of "Old Roman chant." To make it more user friendly, I've made it explicit that Gregorian superseded "Old Roman chant" (with a link) rather than just saying "the local chant traditions of Rome." That should give us both verifiable accuracy and user-friendliness. Thanks for the input!
- Also, I switched the order of the talk page so it's more linear. I hope you stick around Wikipedia — we can always use more knowledgeable music historians! When you comment on talk pages, you can "sign" your name (or at least your IP address, until you register" by typing four tildes (~) in a row. That automatically writes your name and the time you posted, which helps people read through discussions. Give it a try! Peirigill 17:32, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
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