Talk:7.62x25 Tokarev

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[edit] Czech 7.62x25mm Ammunition and Vz-52 Failures

Could the poster please provide a source for the following information, preferrably as a link on the page (or as a simple reference if no URL is available)?

It is a rumor that this ammunition is not recommended to be used in other weapons besides the Cz 52 pistol. However, independent testing by numerous sources has indicated that the CZ 52 pistol is in fact dangerously prone to failure when firing Czech Tokarev ammunition due to its extremely thin barrel thickness at the point of highest gas expansion pressures. In most tests involving excessively loaded cases of 7.62x25mm ammunition, Tokarev T-33 pistols have fared much better than the CZ-52 pistol.

I have seen statements from various unverifiable sources that the Vz-52 was designed specifically to handle the 7.62x25mm "Czech load", referred to often as "M48". I have also seen statements that this load was designed for submachine guns only and shouldn't be fired from any pistol. At this point, I think it would be appropriate that at least one verifiable source be provided on this Wikipedia page before any solid statements are made either way regarding the use of Czech loads fired from any firearm, let alone the Vz-52.

There are two things I can reasonably cite as fact:

This, and
My own CZ52 handles the Czech-manufactured Sellier & Bellot 85 grain FMJ quite well, which is rated at 1,647 fps by S&B from the CZ52 (though independent testing (links below) has shown that this figure is exaggerated by about 100 ft/s). It has thus far digested 500 rounds of it without any sign of problems.

Thanks, Raygun 05:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article renaming

As per the general consensus from the team at Wikiproject: Military History, it would seem that this article really ought to be named "7.62x25", with no spaces. I'm not even sure the "TT" needs to be there, though. I can't find any reference to "7.62x25 TT" in any of my reference books. I thought I'd give people a chance to comment before arbitrarily changing the title, however. --Commander Zulu 07:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Article moved. --Commander Zulu 09:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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