User talk:84.66.181.168

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Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. — Dan | Talk 13:45, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

You are continuing to add nonsense to Wikipedia. If you do not stop, you may be blocked from editing. Please use the sandbox for any tests. DJ Clayworth 13:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 In the Beginning 2 The 'Felony' 3 The Defence 4 The Prosecution

[edit] In the Beginning

How else can a non-member have a debate with so much censorship? Channel your energies towards real vandalism, the blanking, profanity, obscenity, personal abuse and other miscreant behaviour that pervades this so-called organ of truth. Did either of you read and comprehend the content of these 'articles'? This comes from bitter experience - read the WikiPolice text carefully, this is what it is like as a new user trying to make a serious contribution. We are reduced to these tactics in an attempt to evade capture by the WikiPolice.

I will be posting the text of these articles elsewhere to engender debate about how this elitist regime can be made more democratic. No doubt this will be removed as well, the campaign will go on regardless. (this posting by the user)

Thank you for your opinions, which are always welcome. You should note a few things.

1. The main Wikipedia space is the wrong place to have a debate about these things. If you have a serious point to make I suggest Wikipedia:Village pump.
2. If you have real complaints about how you have been treated there are places to complain about this. I suggest Wikipedia:Requests for comment as a place to start if you have a particular person who has abused you.
3. I have no idea what serious contributions you have made so I can't comment, but if you tell me what you have been trying to do and what happend I can have a look for you. Post an example of what you were trying to add to Wikipedia here and I will see whether it is likely to be appropriate or not.
4. I fully read and understood the text of the articles. They were, as I said, in the wrong place.
5. Wikipedia is not a place where you can do anything you feel like. We are trying to write an encyclopedia, and anything that doesn't help that will be strongly discouraged, and prevented if necessary.

DJ Clayworth 14:38, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I accept what you are saying, of course, my aim was not to vandalise the WikiPedia but born out of frustration at the attitude of many veteran contributors - shoot first, ask questions later. I have been editing in a minor way for a few months now and do do not keep a detailed record of contributions. I am afraid, however, that I have little faith in the 'official' organs available for debate here - 'The Pump' is manned by the WikiPolice; nobody has 'abused' me as such, plenty of arrogance though, and the RFC is also manned by the WikiPolice.

I take on board your advice that this material was in the wrong place, but I intend to reproduce it, for the record, on this talk page, User Talk:84.66.181.168. If you object to this, please discuss before 'WikiPolicing' it. Until such time as I have enough faith in the WP to open an official account, I will regard this as my talk page.

Thanks --81.76.91.32 15:52, 16 August 2005 (UTC) (Formerly 84.66.181.168)

You sound very frustrated. Let's see if we can help with whatever problem you have been having. There is not need for you to keep a complete record of contributions - Wikipedia does that for you. If you tell me here what articles you were editing, an idea of what the problem was, and approximately what days or months you were editing we can find out what happened. You can leave the info either here or on my talk page. DJ Clayworth 16:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your offer of help, it is very much appreciated. However, I do not wish to embroil you in a huge 'electronic paper chase', based on my dim recollections of what I may, or may not, have edited at some unknown point in the past. I am frustrated, as you correctly surmise, with my WP experience so far, and I am thinking how best to move forward. Perhaps I will create an account to see if there is any perceptible difference in reception of my edits - who knows?

In the meantime, I still propose to reproduce the content of the WikiPolice 'articles' on this talk page, User Talk:84.66.181.168. This will obviously not be in the main WP namespace, probably nobody but me will see it, but it will be an important historical record of what I percieve to be a valid complaint. Eventually I will likely move the discussion into the appropriate WP realm.

Thank you again for your efforts. Regards. --81.76.91.32 16:36, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

You are free to add almost anything you want to a talk page, although be aware that someone else may use this IP address in the future, and may just decide to remove anything from 'their' talk page. If you wish to make sensible additions to Wikipedia I do recommend creating a userid. It makes it much easier to interact with you. With regard to everything else, without any indication of what the problem is there is really nothing we can do to help. DJ Clayworth 17:37, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I fully understand that, again your efforts are appreciated and I will probably register an account, so as to make sensible additions to WP (not that I didn't make them before this). The coming experiments may reveal much. Regards. --81.76.91.32 18:24, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

You still haven't told us the names of the articles these "sensible additions" were made to. DJ Clayworth 13:32, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The 'Felony'

On, or around, 16 August 2005, the defendant attempted to submit, inter alia, the following articles to WikiPedia (WP):

Exhibit 1

The WikiPedia Police Department (WPPD) is the umbrella organisation that oversees the proper functioning of the WikiPedia community. Comprised of dedicated, hard working volunteer members. the WPPD carries out many useful functions, including quality control, maintenance, dispute resolution, enforcement of standards and the like to help ensure that WikiPedia achieves the highest possible standards expected from an encyclopaedia.

See also:

• WikiPolice. (Refer to Exhibit 2 below).
• WikiPoliceman. (Refer to Exhibit 3 below).

Exhibit 2

The WikiPolice, part of the WPPD, are a self proclaimed elite, who form an unelected police force patrolling the vast realms of WikiPedia enforcing their communally held, authoritarian and arrogant POV on unfortunate Newbies who have the temerity to attempt to edit or contribute to to the sum of human knowledge. Wo-betide the hapless Newbie who edits or contributes without a 2 page list of sources - the inevitable swift unilateral revert ensues from a WikiPoliceman, usually without cause or explanation. Sociologists ascribe this behaviour to the fact that the edit or contribution has come from a non-club member, someone who is not part of the cabal or approved by the clique.

The WikiPolice seem not to have read many official WikiPedia Policies and Guidelines, in particular: Don't Bite the Newbies. Newbies are frequently subjected to the on-line equivalent of a Rodney King-style beating for, no good reason. Beware tender Newbies, these are dangerous people indeed. The activities of the WikiPolice have led many observers to regard them as the secret police division of the WPPD, denying honest newcomers their right to edit, by any means necessary, including collusion between groups of WikiPolicemen to ensure their elite status is maintained.

See also:

• Bullying.
• Fascism.
• Police State.
• WikiPoliceman. (Refer to Exhibit 3 below).
• WikiPedia Police Department. (Refer to Exhibit 1 above).

Exhibit 3

A WikiPoliceman is a non gender-specific member of the WikiPolice. WikiPolicemen are not elected onto the police force, rather they are self appointed or invited by other members of the WikiPolice cabal. It is believed that particularly brutal exhibitions of arrogance to Newbies will rapidly propel the Wikipoliceman far up the career ladder.

See also:

• WikiPolice. (Refer to Exhibit 2 above).
• WikiPedia Police Department. (Refer to Exhibit 1 above).

[edit] The Defence

The Defence rests at the moment, due to being totally shagged out - :-))

[edit] The Prosecution

The team is still being assembled. The Defence anticipate a line up consisting of the usual suspects, and will prepare accordingly.

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