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Please provide verifiable sources for Adiabene being Assyrian. The names of their Kings like Izates( Ezid in Kurdish/ Izad in Persian means God) are Indo-European not Syriac. Moreover there is no evidence of any existing Jewish Assyrians. Throughout the Assyrian history there has been too much animosity between Assyrians and Jews. Thanks. Heja Helweda 07:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I've come in response to the requested NPOV check. I can find no openly biased comments in the text. I've also found and cited several sources on the contents of the article, so the article now passes both WP:V and WP:NPOV. I've removed the NPOV check flag on that basis. Good luck. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 18:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adiabene were Kurdish

Adiabene were Kurdish not Assyrian. Neutral and credible sources needed. TaurusMount 14:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

The language of Adiabene was Eastern Aramaic, what we now call "Assyrian". There is no evidence to support the theory that they were ethnically Kurdish. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:29, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

About Adiabenes language already another wikipedian has talked about. I'm going to show you that Adiabene were ethnictically Kurdish. For instance you can see this genetic analyse in which clearly refer to the the Adiabene as Kurdish not Assyrian. http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v69n5/013033/013033.web.pdf?erFrom=2255487239794439927Guest TaurusMount 20:03, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

TaurusMount -- I've already done a NPOV check here and could find no bias issues. Could you please explain what it is you would like checked so that the NPOV checkers might understand what it is you would like our opinion on? Thank you. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 22:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, it appears you've removed it. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 22:53, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Adiabene was Assyrian. The Romans also named the kingdom of Adiabene as Assyria. http://www.srr.axbridge.org.uk/chron_tab1.html (The Romans invading Adiabene) http://assyriatimes.com/engine/modules/news/article.php?storyid=139 http://www.imninalu.net/tribes3.htm http://www.aanf.org/America/assyrians/assyrian_continuity.htm (Quoted from this page) http://www.nestorian.org/bishops_of_adiabene.html http://persian.ws/7000/7000-3.htm

"The Assyrians [Ashurayeh or Aturayeh] did not vanish, they built smaller kingdoms for themselves in ‘Edessa’ [Urhai] which was ruled by 29 kings, 14 were known as Abgar and 15 as Mano. The Greek called it ‘Osrhoene’ while the Armenians called it ‘Asor-hones’ meaning Old Ashur. The Assyrians build other kingdoms like ‘Adiabene’ in Arbil and ‘Haran’ in Syria.

Philip Hitti, a professor of Semitic literature at Princeton University, in his book ‘History of Syria’, wrote;

Before the rise of Islam the Syrian [the Greek word for Assyrian] Christian Church had split into several communities. There was first the East Syrian Church or the Church of the East. This communion, established in the late second century, claims uninterrupted descent in its teachings, liturgy, consecration and tradition from the time the Edessene King Abgar allegedly wrote to Christ asking him to relieve him of an incurable disease and Christ promised to send him one of his disciples after his ascension. This is the church erroneously called Nestorian, after the Cilician Nestorius, whom it antedates by about two and a half centuries.... --Yohanun 17:10, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christianity to Judaism Conversion

The article states that the rulers converted from Christianity to Judaism in the 1st century, CE. I found it unlikely that any first century rulers were Christian. The religion was very new at the time, and early on it appealed primarily to the oppressed. Owing to my doubts, I tried tracking down the source for this revision using the links provided. However, I could find nothing that addressed this matter. This may well be the result of my own shortcomings. As a result, I ask those who have worked on this article to please review this matter and show me the source for this information. I am keenly interested in the early Christians, and I would find further information about this particular matter very interesting. Respectfully, Rklawton 18:59, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

If you read it carefully, the article never claims that they were Christians in the first place. They converted from their indigenous religions to Judaism though there is not enough info. on their original religion.Heja Helweda 23:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed banner

I've added the factual accuracy banner for various reasons, mainly due to sourcing of the Kurdish claim.

• The two cited books need to be directly cited.
• The History of Aramaic source, where it claims has references to Adiabene, contains only a single mention of the kingdom where it also states ". . .in Assyria in the kingdom of Adiabene." No mention of Kurds and hardly a reliable source.
• The two University of Chicago sources which supposedly deal with the Kingdom of Adiabene are actually two of the same source on what looks to be a document genetically linking Jews to the gene pool of the rest of the Middle East. Not quite sure what that has to do with citizens of Adiabene converting to Judaism or citizens of Adiabene being ethnically Kurdish.
• The kulanu source only begins with "Nestled in the highlands of modern-day Kurdish Iraq" and does not describe Adiabene as being Kurdish.
• The History of Christianity in Iran website is just that, a history of Christianity in Iran. Only mention of anything remotely Kurdish is ". . .mountains of Kurdistan."
• EretzYisroel is hardly a reliable source as it is biased (ie the line "Other neighboring nations affected by Islamic & Arab expansionism" on the main page).
• Finally, The history of Judaism in Kurdistan comes from a source called kurdistanica. Clearly biased, however, the source for that article seems to come from a Harvard professor. In this case, the original source needs to be cited.

--3345345335534 16:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Your arguments are quite good, and I was coming to think that the Kurdish claim was quite weak considering the present sources. So, I've removed "Kurdish" from the article, and consequently, the disputed tag. Thanks for your constructive help. Aldux 16:43, 25 February 2006 (UTC)