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Ahmed Shah Abdali was a good article candidate, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. Once the objections listed below are addressed, the article can be renominated. You may also seek a review of the decision if you feel there was a mistake. Date of review: 14 September 2006

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[edit] Good Article Reviews

I fixed some grammatical errors, but still there are many things unclear to me, when I read it:

1. The lead section is not comprehensively summarizing the whole article. In this case, a summary of Ahmed Shah Abdali life. Please read WP:LS guideline.
2. The quote by Elphinstone should have inline citation (I've put a tag there) and it is unclear when I read the last part of the sentence. What is the meaning and the relation of that last part, starting from "... wrote a Collection of Odes in Pushto ..." with the remaining of the quote sentence?
3. "He was, in his youth, imprisoned in a fortress, with his elder brother Zulfikar Khan, by Husain Khan, governor of Kandahar for the Ghalzis." Why?
4. Section Early Years is really unclear to me. I think you need to split long sentences to make them more clear.
5. Section Commander of the Abdali Cavalry. Why is there only 1 sentence?
6. For the remaining text, please avoid using he or she when it is unclear to whom are you pointing at.
7. I changed Notes into References per WP:MOS. Please also follow WP:CITE guideline to put references.

This is part of GA review, as this article is put in the GA candidate list. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 10:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA Nomination

It seems that nobody is here. All right, I failed this article for GA status, per above (see Good Article Reviews in the previous section). Specifically, this article does not qualify the following GA standards:

1. Well written — Prose is unclear. It is difficult to understand what the subject is about.
2. Verifiability — Sources cannot be verified. Some references are not written properly. Please see WP:CITE for reference guideline.

When all this matters are resolved, this article can be renominated again. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 21:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Where is the solid proof showing that he was born in Multan, which is present day Pakistan??? His father was working with the government in Herat, Afghanistan, during the time Ahmad Shah was born. I am from Kandahar, Afghanistan, and my city is fairly very low populated...meaning people know one another and the history is kept well among the people....yet nobody in my city would accept Ahmad Shah being born in Multan, Pakistan. It is totally wrong to place false statements here...I suggest somebody re-edit the place of birth "Multan" to "Herat"....because it is more likely he was born in Herat or perhaps Kandahar, the place where most of his ancestors and decendants lived. Another point I want to make is that he on his own choice changed his last name from "Abdali" to "Durrani" before being the king of Afghanistan. That clearly means he wanted to be remembered by "Ahmad Shah Durrani" instead of Ahmad Shah Abdali. Therefore, Ahmad Shah "Durrani" should be his official name and Ahmad Shah "Abdali" should be his a.k.a. (Also Known As) alias name or simply birth name.NisarKand 7:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Brittanica cites his birth place as Multan as well..i have not heard the claim dsputed by anyone else. If you have references which state otherwise do post them and we can argue out the fact here. I concede your point we should rename this article Ahmed Shah Durrani.

--Zak 18:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Regrading Encyclopedia Brittanica...If you read it carefully, his assuming birth-place "Multan" is marked with this -----> "?", which means UNKNOWN.--King Nisar 16:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

it doesn't mean unknown, it means disputed, however if you have counter refernces do post them up, we can sift through where the bulk of the evidence suggests and agree on one. --Zak 14:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It's not disputed, either, The question-mark in Britannica is not disputing his birthplace, but the date of his birth. It's not known whether he was born in 1722 or 1723 or maybe even earlier. That's why the question-mark is placed after the date "1722". Tājik 18:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The question mark is right after the year he was born, like this "1772?". It is the year of his birth that questioned.

re: providing 'booty' for his clan. I seriously doubt this since MTV rap culture came along much much later.

That just means treasures/gold/women/youngboys. Behnam 13:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Punjabi?

Caroe theorizes that these people--half Persian and Half Paktuan (pashtun) of Kandahar-- were the ancestors of the abdali tribe, later called the Durranis, who for centuries have been the dominent tribe of western Afghanistan.   page 12, paragraph 1, sentence 11. "A MILITARY HISTORY FROM ALEXANDER THE GREAT TO THE FALL OF THE TALIBAN", BY STEPHEN TANNER.

Who said he was born in multan panjab. is that why he sacked, looted, murdered his poeple IN PUNJAB over 6 times, for the love of afghanistan. hahaha!!! COMMON SENSE. PLUS he spoke persian and pashto. he wrote a peotry about the mountain tops of afghan land. who ever claims that he was born in multa punjab is eighther uneducated or a pakistani who is lying. it should be immidiately changed or wikipedia is a false encyclopedia. Everything else is correct.68.229.55.91 10:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

No where does it say he was Punjabi. He was born in Multan according to scholarly authoritative sources, such as this http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9004137/Ahmad-Shah-Durrani. --Behnam 18:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)