Talk:Airline
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Ideology - ideologically charged pointless sentences like - "In the 1950s, the De Havilland Comet, Boeing 707, Douglas DC-8, and Sud Aviation Caravelle became the first flagships of the Jet Age in the West, while the Soviet Union bloc countered with the Tupolev Tu-104 and Tupolev Tu-124 in the fleets of state-owned carriers such as Aeroflot and Interflug." Why would airplanes (aeroplanes) be separated by ideology and why would (obvious) state-ownership of Aeroflot and Interflug be stressed, even mentioned, but not state-ownership of Air France or BOAC or for that matter of almost all airlines in the world at the time?
Is it an article about airlines or a cliche ridden idelogical American pamphlet?
How 'bout a List of largest airlines page -Mydotnet 23:22, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)
There is such a list at List of largest airlines. 131.107.0.73 20:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)Ksnow
[edit] Merge into Airline
Scheduled air transport I did this, i realised that most of the history was in alot deeper detail on this anyway, I improved the intro aswell. I will invite anyone to feedback on that --mexaguil 05:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Europe vs America airline (Question)
I am not sure whether this is correct, but my perception is most of the airlines in Europe have been doing relatively better than American airlines. The argument i have seen supporting the observation is that, most of the American airline had over invested before the economy tanked late 90s, but this is not very convincing. For example, most European countries taxes the oil to death and this should really hurt the airline. The current financial filing still show European airline doing better that American airline, 5 year after they seized over investing. How do one explain this?
- on the back of Delta and Northwest filing for Chapter 11 today, I'd agree with you that American airlines are tanking it...
- the reason why European rivals are doing so much better, however, has to come down to the fact that most of the world don't like America and therefore prefer to travel on European airlines... that's the only reason I can think of! Deano 18:27, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
I am coming late into this discussion, but I have to say that this is pure rubbish. Several of the major American carriers have simply made bad business decisions. Saying that the American airline industry's problems with profibility has to do with hatred against America is wrong.
[edit] airline cost structure breakdown
I am propose that we use our cumulative knowledge to collect percentages of airline cost. Once we have a good feel of it, we can summarize it as a pie chart somewhere in the front page. I will start by signing in that fuel amount to around 30% of airline cost. What percentage is labour? What about airplanes leasing/buying? And administration? What other kind of expense does airline need to foot?
Beside a pie chart, other information that can fit in the proposed paragraph is how those cost are affected by geographical factors, economy, politics just to name a few. Please do add any factor that you are aware of. gathima 15:40, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Labour makes 38% of airline cost
- Insurance = 1%
I have found more data on airline costs, here it is:
All data is courtesy of Air Transport Association www.air-transport.com
Labor = 26% Fuel per gal.=21.9% Aircraft ownership=0.4% Non Aircraft ownership = 4.5% <----(What I assume is aircraft leasing) Professional services=8% Food and Beverage=1.7% Landing fees= 2.2% Maintenance Materials=1.4% Insurance=0.2% Non-Aircraft Insurance=0.7% Passenger commissions=1.3% Communicaition=0.9% Utilities and supplies=0.6% Other Expenses=21.3% User:Msaunders 4 Nov 2005 (19:11) UTC
[edit] Imperial Airways
It's stated that photos exist of Imperial Airways aeroplanes being maintained by Bedouin in the empty quarter of Saudia Arabia. Sounds great. But who's actually seen one of these photos please ?
[edit] Unnecessary information
Is there any reason of having the sentence below on top of the article, considering its easily accessable by clicking disambuguation link?
* Sometimes spelt "air line": the shortest distance between 2 points regardless of land obstacles. * Airline (television show). * A tube that carries a compressed air supply, including tyre inflators (including on airfields).
On the other hand, it may help the printed version, but it still make it a little dirty
[edit] What about airline food?
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Hey, shouldn't airline food be mentioned? I don't know too much about it, so I don't want to risk adding incorrect assertions to the article, but it seems to me that it is a major cause of complaints about airlines in general. I vaguely remembering reading somewhere that the average American airline spends about $2 per passenger per flight on food. Plus, labor relations with the third-party providers of such food can be very important to the survival of an airline (as British Airways found out with that recent mess involving Gate Gourmet).
If anyone could research this, that would be great. --Coolcaesar 11:15, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] oil related treaty
Moreover, the industry is structured so that airlines often act as tax collectors. Airline fuel is untaxed however due to a series of treaties existing between countries. Ticket prices include a number of fees, taxes, and surcharges they have little or no control over, and these are passed through to various providers. Airlines are also responsible for enforcing government regulations. If airlines carry passengers without proper documentation on an international flight, they are responsible for returning them back to the originating country.
- I feel like it would be nice to include the treaty that encourage countries not to tax jet oil. I tried to find the name of that/these treaty though google search unsuccessfully and wonder whether someone hear is more informed on this issue. Please slap in the name if you happen to know the treaty that deal with jet oil
[edit] Bias against mother nature!
There are "Economic considerations" in the airline article but there are no "Ecology considerations"!
Airplanes spew jet exhaust directly into the ozone layer where it hurts more. Planes use 10x more energy than trains over the same distance and 100x more energy than ships do!
Airfield construction destroys large swaths of natural habitats in many cases. Overly ambitious airfield plans like the japanese artificial island runways require huge industrial efforts to build, causing huge diesel pollutions by hundreds of trucks and tractors.
Jet airplanes hurt people in the large vicinity of airfields with terrible noise, shortening their lives and breaking their nerves.
Rapid travel over large distances can carry infectious diseases and cause possible pandemic. 195.70.32.136 11:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The oldest
Does anyone knows which airline is the oldest in Europe? Alexzr88 10:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Air ferry
Which other airlines also made air ferry services?
[edit] airplane vs aeroplane spelling
Shouldn't this article note the spelling differences between US English 'airplane' and British English 'aeroplane' in the sake of NPOV? Otherwise it might lead one to think that one or the other spellings are wrong.
