Talk:Al-Qaeda in Iraq

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1 Requests
2 My changes
3 Numbers
4 Zaqawi Death
5 Al Qaeda in Iraq Attacks Outside Iraq
6 Name
- 6.1 Improper translation and consequent changes
7 Every attack is "Al Qaeda in Iraq"?
8 Why?
9 Mistake ?
10 Zarqawi group

[edit] Requests

Can someone please add a piece on the relationship between Al-Qaeda and Al-Qaeda in Iraq?
Can someone please update this entry with the address of the site where this group publishes their fatwas, etc.?
I would appreciate if others updates the list of attacks linked in the media to Al-Tawhid Wal-Jihad, since it is difficult for one person to continually keep this article current on top of other commitments. Thankyou.
Zarqawi's own page says that "Powell mistakenly referred to Zarqawi as Palestinian", yet this page says that he is Palestinian. Which is true? If it's unknown, this should be represented by ambiguity in the language.
Although I would agree that "Monotheism" is a good translation of Tawhid, Hans Wehr notes "unity" before "monotheism" and I have seen other sources (among them globalsecurity.org) translate the group's name as "Unity and Jihad." It has been my experience that Tawhid more often means "unification" or "unity" than "monotheism."
Could somebody change the references "America" to "United States of America" or "USA" since everyone living in North and South America is in "America" and not related to the US?

[edit] My changes

I have changed some of the references to 'terrorist' because this is a proven terrorist network, both by their rhetoric and actions. Unlike insurgents, this group attempts to dominate the population through fear. Reading the long list of suicide bombings, car bombings, and other terrorist-style attacks is proof of my claims. BQAggie2004 21:12, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

New additions as of 18 November 2005

I added the Arabic name of Al-Qaeda in Iraq as it appears in today's featured story on al-jazeera.net. I also added an anglicized pronunciation and translation; "bilaad ar-raafidee" translates literally to "tributary lands" but is also a recognized archaic name for Iraq.

Rikki rockett 19:29, 18 November 2005 (UTC)rikki_rockett

Clarification: according to the Hans Wehr Arabic-English dictionary, رافد (Raafid) means "tributary stream", and the dual رافدان or رافداين usually refers to the Tigris and the Euphrates. Rafaelgr 16:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Numbers

Are there any statistics regarding the rough numbers of Al-Qaeda fighting the U.S. in Iraq? Some guy 18:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, it is a seperate organization. I don't think this article really makes it clear enough; they aren't Al-Qaeda, they're simply using the name. There's a rather large difference. And I doubt we have any numbers; hard to know given their structure and elusiveness. 69.59.212.172 08:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zaqawi Death

This article claims it was an RQ-1 Predator involved in the airstrike that killed Zarqawi, but an Army commander in a news brief (the one that showed the video of the strike) said F-16s, so I changed that.

[edit] Al Qaeda in Iraq Attacks Outside Iraq

Need a source on the following cited attack:

December 27, 2005: A volley of Katyusha rockets were fired into northern Israel from southern Lebanon.

As far as I know this is only speculative and at best the group that did this is loosely connected to the Al Qaeda network (not just Al Qaeda in Iraq). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ckmlb (talk • contribs) .

I agree, it's kind of implausible. I've tagged that as needing verification. Rafaelgr 16:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

I've added the full version of the group's name (as found for example here) and what I think is a decent translation of it, and cleaned up a few things which became redundant. Rafaelgr 16:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Improper translation and consequent changes

It seems that in both the Arabic name posted in the article and the transliteration on that Terrorism Knowledge Base page, the phrase containing "Qaa'ida/foundation" ("Organization for Foundation of the Holy Struggle") is an idaafa -- see Arabic_grammar#Genitive_construction_.28I.E1.B8.8D.C4.81fa.29. While you did translate it as such, you rendered its possessed terms as indefinite when the construction appears to be a definite idaafa, as its final noun has a definite article. This requires that all the terms are read as definite, changing the translation to "The Organization of the Foundation of the Holy Struggle," or possibly "Organization of the Foundation of the Holy Struggle" if the first article doesn't rub your English ear right. Noting and correcting this error (which I have also done) would just be pedantic if it were not for the paragraph that says:

'The word "Qa'adah" present in the group's name appears to associate the group with the international Al-Qaeda network, and also uses a name for Iraq (The Land of the Two Rivers, cf. Mesopotamia) associated with the early Islamic period. However, the word "qa'adah" is an Arabic word meaning foundation, principle, or standard. The group's name does not include the definite article "al" (the) for this word as it appears in al-Qaeda.'

The claim about the indefiniteness the word for "foundation" in the group's name is false if my reading of the pertinent idaafa is correct, and I'm pretty certain it is, so I've removed the sentence beginning "However, the word...". Also, I added what I consider an appropriate request for citation for the claim that because the declared name of this Iraqi group and that of an alledged worldwide terrorist network share the word "foundation" there's an association between the two. And of course it also preserves the skepticism of the deleted sentence. 66.133.194.174 23:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Every attack is "Al Qaeda in Iraq"?

October 27: Four car bombings at Baghdad police stations and the Red Cross headquarters killed 35 and wounded 220 [1]^{[citation needed]}.

The above is a good example. The attack did occur, but the external link doesn't say Al Qaeda was responsible.--Patchouli 11:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

On a similar note, the list of alleged attacks has grown quite large. I have deleted some of the entries, mainly because they are not unique or particularly notable to be included. For instance, "A suicide car bombing targeting an Iraqi security officer killed 5 and wounded 27 in the town of Balad" is not particularly notable because bombings with such a toll occur every day in Iraq and there is nothing special about such an incident. Others I have left in because they left large numbers of casualties or were against a "spectacular" target. I realize these are my opinions, but I believe there should be some criteria for adding to the list. And we certainly don't know if Zarqawi's group even committed all of these attacks. PBP 20:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The latest attack added to the list has the same issue. Linked article in no way states al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQII) participation. When the article does mention AQII involvement, it is based only on the statements of Iraqi or US government officials. I looked at the 2007 attacks, and only one linked article mentions AQII (there are also many 404s in the list). 64.0.88.181 12:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Once again, most of those news articles do not specify that Al-Qaeda in Iraq was responsible for the events listed. Most of the Yahoo news citations are now gone from the Yahoo site. I suggest that any attack that cannot be linked to al-Qaeda be removed. It is misleading. Jameshands 17:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why?

Why did Zarqawi started Al Qaeda in Iraq, plz state the references

[edit] Mistake ?

and also uses a name for Iraq (The Land of the Two Rivers, cf. Mesopotamia) associated with the early Islamic period.

Mesopotamia (Greek, Land of Two Rivers), or Bilad Al Rafidayn (Arabised version of Mesopotamia) was the name given to the Land between the Tigris and Euphrates since ancient times, Alexander the Great's era sort of time. Its definitely not associated with Islamic period. --Lord Anubis 09:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zarqawi group

400 video and more made by Zarqawi group Al-Qaeda in Iraq against American Army :

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