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The article claimed that American flew over 98 million route passenger miles in 2005. This seems off as a single airplane can fly many more than that. I deleted the statement. Does anyone have a correct figure?
-Aqeel
does any body know who is editing alaska airlines? they say someone is attacking us here!----------------
I slightly edited this page to delete an inaccurate paragraph. A paragraph stated that after the fall of Pan Am, Eastern and TWA in the early 1990s American Airlines became the most profitable publically traded airline. I'm not sure if this is correct. For one thing, TWA remained in business until 2001 when it was acquired by American Airlines. Additionally, I recall reading in multiple sources that United Airlines had made the most profits of any airline in history in the late 1990s, so it seems that there existed sufficient doubt over the validity of that paragraph for me to axe it.
If anyone has any information here which could go more into depth on this it would be worthwhile to discuss...
-Wgw2024
I think it's an injustice to Cord to call him a "corporate raider." Raiders are the guys who buy a company, sell off its component parts, and leave. Cord did shuffle companies around a bit, but he was trying to build an empire, not destroy something. He bought Duesenberg, then a makr of excellent cars, and turned it into a company whose cars still inspire awe 70 years later. Then he added Auburn, transforming that into a company whose products made people sit up, take notice, and buy. Then he started a new line, Cord.
I'm less familiar with his involvement in aircraft, but he did seem to be trying to build up something there, too.
Ivan Berger Fanwood, NJ
[edit] When gay couples are a terrorist threat
This [1] may be worthy of inclusion to some degree or another within the article. --AWF
[edit] Deletion of External Links by Sekicho
Sekicho, Can you please explain why in the American Airlines External Links you deleted a link placed by 68.162.15.2 at 15:02 on 24 October 2004 (UTC) without a proper explanation, Putting "giving up and rv'ing to last stable version" is not a proper explanation. I checked out the site myself and there is legitimate material relating to American Airlines and the events of September 11, 2001 Terrorist attacks. It's not like it is a spam site and in fact there are several Wikipedia articles that link to that site and have been for quite a while. Misterrick 09:37, 25 October 2004 (UTC).
- I didn't intend to delete that link, actually (I was just trying to get rid of all the vandalism and I reverted to one version earlier than I should have). That said, now that I'm looking at the link, I think it doesn't really belong here. It's not about the airline: it's about 9/11, which was a single event that involved the airline as an unwilling accomplice. Nothing substantial is said of AA that couldn't be gleaned from reading Wikipedia's articles on 9/11. - Sekicho 10:36, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
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- See I have to disagree with you here, Yes it is about 9/11 but since both American Airlines and United Airlines were victims in this "Single Event" as you call it there are bound to be people who want to know more about what happened and I feel that the person who created this site is providing historical information. Misterrick 18:10, 26 October 2004 (UTC).
I agree with all of what you've just said. However:
(1) Visitors have many options in finding out more. They can click on September 11, 2001 attacks, they can click on American Airlines Flight 11, they can click on World Trade Center... they can even click on Betty Ong. We don't need an external link to provide historical information because virtually all of it has been wikified already.
(2) More importantly, a 9/11-related website is not "on point" to an article written about American Airlines. 9/11 makes up only a small part of American's history, and likewise, American was only an accessory to the incident. It makes sense to link Max Miller's site from 9/11 and AA11, because his web site tells a lot about both. However, a person is not going to learn more about American Airlines from Max's site. We don't have a link to Max Miller from al-Qaida or from terrorism, even though his web site has a great deal to do with both, because his web site doesn't tell people anything about either!
(3) "External links" are not merely "related links." Their purpose is to provide access to content that cannot be reproduced (for legal, technical, or whatever reasons) on Wikipedia, and they should be as relevant to the content matter as possible. In this case, while Max Miller's site is related to American Airlines, it is not relevant to an article about American Airlines any more than a web site about Columbine High School is relevant to an article about Michael Moore.
You seem to imply that I have some sort of evil motivation to wipe 9/11 from history. I don't. I'm just trying to exercise good editorial discretion. As a lawyer-in-training, I dislike the "parade of horrors" analysis, but it fits here: if we allow external links with only slight correlation to article content, we're going to end up with a ton of external links that aren't useful. There are a lot of articles that Max Miller's web site should be linked from. American Airlines and United Airlines just don't happen to be such articles. Sekicho 03:08, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] American Airlines edit
I edited this page to add a fact. It is true that when American Airlines became a subsidiary of AMR Corporation, AMR kept AA's original New York Stock Exchange ticker symbol. AMR stiil has it today.
Anyone is free to debate this fact.
-CJS102793
I deleted the first picture of the 777, because there is already a picture of the aircraft type. It looks a little bit better, because the airplanes are all different types.
-CJS102793
[edit] Aircraft Fleet
I changed the number of aircraft from 840, to 806, because in the book, "Ask the Pilot", written by Patrick Smith, he states that American Airlines has the largest aircraft fleet with 806 aircraft.CJS102793 13:36, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
- That book is a year old. the AA website says they have 710 in the AA fleet and 286 in the American Eagle fleet. I've changed the page to reflect that. —Ben Brockert (42) UE News 21:54, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
You know, you're right. I need to go to AA.com more often. I just touched it up a bit. MOO!CJS102793 22:03, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] 767-223 Retirement
I have edited the AA fleet size to 705 due to the 8/5/05 decommissioning of seven 767-223 airframes due to be scrapped. 11 767-223ER and 1 767-223 remain in the AA fleet.
- Mike @ DFW
[edit] Hubs
How does the web page noted verify LGA, JFK, and BOS as hubs? I checked it out, and it does not mention anything about those airports being considered hubs.Chaz 16:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
- The caption to the lower right of [2] says "hub cities are shown in all caps," which has been a convention on AA's route maps as far back as I can remember. Given AA's dramatic expansion at these airports in recent years it makes sense that they would consider these airports to be proper hubs now... - Sekicho 21:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Aside from other hubs and focus cities, AA serves 15 destinations from Logan. These are either in the Caribbean/Latin America or Europe (with a couple coast-to-coast flights). The route structure AA has around this airport is point-to-point, not for connections. LaGuardia has 13 destinations other than hubs and focus cities. It has a number of flights to the southern US and the Caribbean, but no one is going to connect in LaGuardia to go from Atlanta to St. Thomas, for example. Having a major presence at an airport does not constitute a hub; an airline has to have coordinated incoming and outgoing flights to allow for connections. Dbinder 01:35, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
- Also, San Juan is not in caps on their site, but everyone considers that a hub. Dbinder 01:36, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
- Aside from other hubs and focus cities, AA serves 15 destinations from Logan. These are either in the Caribbean/Latin America or Europe (with a couple coast-to-coast flights). The route structure AA has around this airport is point-to-point, not for connections. LaGuardia has 13 destinations other than hubs and focus cities. It has a number of flights to the southern US and the Caribbean, but no one is going to connect in LaGuardia to go from Atlanta to St. Thomas, for example. Having a major presence at an airport does not constitute a hub; an airline has to have coordinated incoming and outgoing flights to allow for connections. Dbinder 01:35, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I changed BOS, JFK, and LGA to hubs, since their caps on the site [3]Chaz 21:11, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- OK, if we're going by the "in caps" standard, then I'm removing San Juan. Dbinder 00:13, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Either the page goes by the "in caps" standard from AA's website, or it goes by the airports that realistically function as hubs. Since the majority seem to want to go by what AA says, San Juan is not a hub in that case, so I am removing it and will continue to do so. Dbinder 20:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
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- According to AA's 10-K filing for FY 2005, "American operates five hubs: Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW), Chicago O’Hare, Miami, St. Louis and San Juan, Puerto Rico." Not JFK or LGA as the infobox currently states. -choster 22:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
BOS is still listed as a hub. I changed the infobox to reflect that.Chaz 21:01, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Who keeps listing BOS as not being a hub? It's still in caps on their site, and I'll change it back to being listed as a hub Chaz 00:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- Boston is a hub for American Eagle, but not AA mainline. The airline's own 2005 legal filing did not list it as a hub. It specifically stated that DFW, Miami, San Juan, St. Louis, and Chicago were hubs; nothing else. The map included cities in caps if they are mainline or Eagle hubs; the article is only about the mainline, however. The American Eagle article should include Boston and New York. Furthermore, if you insist on using the standard that a city must be in caps on the map, then remove San Juan from the list of hubs, since that is in lowercase on the route map. Dbinder 16:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm not the one putting San Juan on the hubs list. Chaz 00:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The bug
I have worked at American for 15 plus years...and never heard the eagle called the bug.
[edit] TfD nomination of Template:OTA
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[edit] WikiProject Texas silliness
Seriously, this is an article with very little Texas content. Is this really necessary? Does everyone feel the need to emblazon their pet project's stamp on articles? —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 23:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reno Air
Reno Air should really have its own article and not just be a forward to the American Airlines article. Unforunately, I don't have enough info on them even to start a stub. I know they operated MD-80s, MD-87s, and MD-90s, and had hubs in RNO and SJC, and from this article we can get the date they were acquired by AA. For a short time, Mid Pacific Air operated Reno Air Express flights using Jetstream 31s. That's about all I can think of at the moment. If someone can at least come up with a year they started, that ought to be enough to create a stub. -- Hawaiian717 17:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- Found a start date and started the Reno Air article. -- Hawaiian717 00:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Non-Notable Incident
I have removed the following addition by MED777 to the Incidents and accidents section as I would consider a diversion due to a cockpit indicator, with a safe landing to be non-notable:
*An MD80 bound for Los Angeles (AA2261) was forced to return to the Denver International on May03th 2006 evening for an emergency landing after the crew got a nose gear warning. The aircraft, which departed around 9:30pm made a safe landing around 10:30pm.
-- Hawaiian717 22:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] AA Logos (Bird & Stylized) - Suggested Reformat
Not sure how to do it myself, but I think that the bird logo and the sylized "American Airlines" should appear in the same box, with a white background. In the blue cell, it should have "American Airlines" in standard bold font, similar to other pages. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sean.estrada (talk • contribs) 2006-07-20 23:11:37 (UTC)
- You got a link/example for that? I've corrected the problem that the airline name had been replaced with an image - so it's now just the AA logo. wangi 23:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- Not really the highest quality image, but something like this as a single image at the top of the table: http://www.chfestival.org/resources/content/AmericanAirlinesLogo.jpg It used to be two separate images. I'm still new at this, but I think what needs to happen is the two images need to be combined to one, and the plain text "American Airlines" stay where it is in the blue background. To me it just "looks" better i guess. --Sean.estrada 09:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the current logo is better. It seems too thin and the font looks wrong. I think [4] looks good but without the slogan (I don't think its current). [5] would be perfect if it were in color. I don't know how to convert the EPS to SVG though. -- Hawaiian717 00:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- I figured out how to do it with Inkscape and replaced the logo. -- Hawaiian717 05:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me (or my computer), or does the blue on the logo looks very different than the blue in the official logo? It seems too bright. The logos from Brands of the World look good, but the one uploaded to wikipedia looks different. Any way we can fix it? -- Rover007TN 02:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Largest Company ?
According to List of largest airlines, AA is not the largest company in terms of passengers (and AF-KLM is said to be the 5th). Since I couldn't have any real confirmation I didn't change the article, but if someone could double check that would be great :) Lucasbfr 14:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I feel that the American Airlines (AA) article is missing just a few things. Altho I use Wikipedia often, I am just starting to figure out how to work the "behind the scenes" stuff. But I do feel that the AA article should at least mention Americans pionering of the "Admirals Club" and should mention that they are the only legacy carrier that has not (at one point or another) filed for bankruptcy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.29.160.167 (talk)
Many other legacy carriers have not filed for bankruptcy.....Singapore Airlines, British Airways, Scandinavian Airlines, etc. In the US, Alaska Airlines is the only other legacy carrier that hasn't filed for bankruptcy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.212.107.104 (talk)
[edit] Merging Admirals Club
As many major US carriers already have done so, we might as well do it for this page as well. See Admirals Club discussion page for more reasons why I believe it should be merged.--Golich17 19:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merging AAdvantage
As many major US carriers already have done so, we might as well do it for this page as well. See AAdvantage discussion page for more reasons why I believe it should be merged.--Golich17 19:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Some deranged individual added a line to the "incidents" page
On the incident's page, someone added the lines "crashed intentionally by our government" under the Sept. 11th crashes row. Please delete. ```` —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spdr386 (talk • contribs) 04:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
