Talk:Andrey Vlasov
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While full of rhetoric, this magazine article (in Russian) by Kirill Aleksandrov ponders various positive aspects of Vlasov biography and personality, trying to consider Vlasov from different angles than commonly done by the official Soviet POV (the latter POV coincides with the one presented in the today's version of the WP article). Might be an interesting source to start research towards a better NPOV article. Kirill Aleksandrov is a historian, and it seems that he summarizes some of his research results in the article. Could be that better search might dig up his actual historical research works along with substantiating references. Without that, I suggest not to modify the main article, as this issue is quite sensitive, esp. to the surviving World War II veterans that fought in the region. BACbKA 22:16, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Some questions for the editors... please
First BACbKA the link you provided was dead. Sorry.
Now about this paragraph:
Soviet authorities sent Vlasov and his men to Moscow, and in a summary trial held in the summer of 1946 sentenced him and eleven other senior officers from his army to death. They were hanged on August 2, 1946. This was the last sentence to death by hanging in the Soviet Union. The remaining soldiers were loaded into boxcars and sent back to Russia. It was reported that some of them were machine gunned as they got off the train; however the majority of surviving Vlasov soldiers and low-ranking officers were not executed, but imprisoned to labor camps. Some of them were among 55 thousand collaborators that were pardoned by the post-Stalin Soviet government on September 17, 1955.
I would really like to know the source of this information. I am doing a research project on the Vlasov's men. According to an article I found in National Geographic (don't ask me which one, it was a while ago) there were some Russian collaborators remaining in prison until the 1990s and I would presume until the final fall of the Soviet Union.
Any information anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.Piercetp
- Working link here. Pavel Vozenilek 20:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- PS: Please sign your edits with ~~~~.
[edit] Thanks Pavel but....
This link is in Russian. Does it mention anything about the fate of the soldiers in the ROA?
- It doesn't say anything about soldier's fates and it's a totally biased article anyway.
- As far as I know, nobody ever tried to track the fates of Vlasov's soldiers among hundreds of thousands of GULAG inhabitants. But the legends about some people remaining in camps until the 90'ies look very suspicious to me, unless confirmed with reliable sources. Eleyvie 11:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
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Solzhenitsyn has a good discussion of Vlasov and his men in his work, "Gulag Archipelago". He also mentions a fascist political group set up in conjunction with this operation known as, to my best recollection, the Russian National Party of Labor, that functioned as an arm of the Nazi Party in the Russian emigre movement, but it can't find any mention of it on Wikipedia. In this regard, I recall mention of the Ukranian and Russian SS. An interesting sidelight to this story is that Hitler actually sent certain Cossack units into northern Italy late in the war to fight the Italian and Yugoslav partisans operating in that area. Part of their motivation was a promise by Hitler to give a portion of this area to them after the war as a "homeland." Tom Cod 00:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Would that be the NTS (Natsional'no-Trudovoi Soyuz) / НТС (Национально-Трудовой Союз) which Kazantsev mentions in his book Tret'ya Sila?
--Mjjohansen 18:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Whitewashing
The opening paragraph is full of whitewashing. If anything, Vlasov wanted to replace Stalin with Hitler, not liberate Russia from Stalin... Ko Soi IX 20:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
pure opinion. Do you have even the slightest piece of evidence for this statement??
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Vlasov's motives are under constant discussion.
It is sometimes claimed that AAV acted out of hope for personal gains, disregarding anything but where the political and military wind blows; sometimes it is said that he wanted a Soviet Union but without Iosif Stalin at the rudder; some have claimed that he wanted the pre-revolutionary Russia back (which is unlikely, considering his role in the civil war, among other things; this is probably inspired by the fact that quite a few sources were white emigrants from the revolution).
Despite having worked with this topic for years, I have never seen any evidence to suggest that the thought of Russian or the entire Soviet Union as a vassal state of Germany was appealing to AAV.
--Mjjohansen 11:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Case review & Defenders of Moscow: Illustration
First: Does anyone have a link to the rehabilitation case mentioned here?
I am working on a project regarding Andrey Andreyevich Vlasov. As you will see, he played a part in the defence of Moscow, and his picture was printed along with other officers in Pravda. I have seen this illustration somewhere on the web, but I lost it.
Does anyone know where it is?
My e-mail address is in my profile.
--Mjjohansen 20:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
