Talk:Animal welfare
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I removed the REDIRECT to Animal Rights, because the Animal Welfare position is really different, and deserves an entry of its own.
Bhuston 23:21, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
This page needs more information about what animal welfare is, aside from distinguishing it from animal rights. Rosemary Amey 15:53, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
- OK, Rosemary, I'll see what I can do.--Publunch 13:43, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
In the interests of balance and good scholarship, I have written a couple of paragraphs about people and arguments that are either anti-animal welfare, or else attempts to circumscribe animal welfarism's scope. I have also listed one or two books. I could list more if people are really interested. Please note that I am doing this in the interest of balance and am not a supporter of anti-welfarism.
--Publunch 13:43, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] More on animal welfare
Would the next editor for the animal welfare page include the five freedoms, please.
- Done, as part of the first step towards standing this article up on its own merits. That task still largely remains: Animal welfare is a much older, more thoroughly institutionalised and politically widespread doctrine than Animal rights. As more editors (preferably using non-Anglosphere examples) add further detail to the history of the Animal welfare movement, the remaining material treating of welfare's contrasts with rights doctrine will want trimming and refining, I think. For that reason, I corrected the intro which implied both welfarism and rights allocate ethical value to animals: Several proponents of welfarism recommend it precisely because it does no such thing - for them, the ethics are entirely located in the human component of the human-animal relationship. Again, I'm not convinced that it is correct to characterise Singer's as a welfarist position - he believes rights to be reducible to utilitarian welfare principles, as far as I can see - so in denying that there are any irreducibly human, sovereign rights, he concurs in at least one crucial respect with Animal rights advocates. Still. That's for another day. Keep it coming! Adhib 17:33, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Yahoo->Google
I changed the category/directory link from a Yahoo! category to a Google category simply because Yahoo has been responsible for some atrocious human rights violations in China. Please read Yahoo!'s article for more details.
[edit] NPOV?
"This has less to do with concern for the animal (although this is a factor), and more the indisputable evidence that well-cared-for meat tastes better." What indisputable evidence?
[edit] External Links
I added a UK focussed link as all the others appeared to be American. Also, it appears as if the http://www.animaluse.org/ site is either down or no longer about animal welfare. Don't know if anyone else wants to take a look. I didn't delete it but it might need to be replaced if it remains as is. Misssunshine 4 July 2006
[edit] Sources
This article needs to be sourced. It reads like a personal essay. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Singer
As somewhat stated by Adhib, Peter Singer is not a supporter of animal rights, as he is a philosophical utilitarian. He advocates improved conditions for animals on utilitarian grounds, not via claiming that animals have or should have "rights." If Singer is to be mentioned on this page, his name would best be removed from the context of animal "rights."
[edit] Sources
I've removed some OR and have requested sources. We need some solid writing rather than "some critics say this, some that." SlimVirgin (talk) 08:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Five freedoms
Could someone who knows more about this add something on what the 5 freedoms are, who came up with them, how often if ever they are realized for farmed animals (I believe these are advocated only for farmed animals though I could be wrong.) Thanks!
Rosemary Amey 23:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
