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Contents 1 Argentine air participation 2 Total number of Argentine aircraft really deployed 3 More details 4 KC-130 5 You tube link 6 More detail 7 Argentine Air Force general ranks 8 T-34 armament

[edit] Argentine air participation

Has anyone got info' on what Argentinian squadrons participated in the Falklands War? SoLando 22:07, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

yes, sure. which force? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.47.113.5 (talk • contribs) .

I already added argentine units (Jor70 16:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Total number of Argentine aircraft really deployed

The Argentine numbers you just add are not accurate (daggers 35, 707 4, A-4B around 35, pucaras at least 70, ... ) I suggest remove them until we found correct data. --Jor70 19:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I've only counted those Argentine airplanes in flying condition during the war, and those involved in the war. The Argentine Navy had 5 Super Étendard, but one of them was used for spare parts; the Argentine Air Force had scattered Pucarás all over Argentina, but only 24 on the islands etc.

We wouldn't count RAF Germany on the British side either. The B707 flights before the hostilities might have involved all 4, as you wrote. --Necessary Evil 19:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I was talking about aircraft deployed to Patagonia, the only ones that remains in the north were those out of service. In any case, you should clarify what those numbers means --Jor70 20:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

An Argentine aircraft should be part of one of the following organisations to be part of the list:

• Teatro de Operaciones Malvinas - aircraft based on the Falklands Islands.
• Fuerza Aérea Sur - medium-to-long range combat, reconnaissance and transport aircraft based in Southern Argentina.
• Teatro de Operaciones del Atlántico Sur - shipborne aircraft.

Necessary Evil 22:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The IAI Daggers were bootleg copies of Mirage aircraft, sometimes authors mix the Argentine Daggers and Mirages.

The skyhawks were Vietnam Veterans, bought without garanties, some of them were not airworthy.

What is your numbers, Jor70 ? Regards --Necessary Evil 01:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I just removed the caution signal. FAA in fact deploy more than the number mentioned but it is difficult to make a difference between those directly employed on the islands and those who served as a strike reserve and guardian of the chilean border. --Jor70 15:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More details

I would like to add some more data like this --Jor70 21:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Date	Tail Code	Obs
May 21,1982	C-403	Shot down by Sea Harrier ZA190/"009". Pilot Ejected
May 21,1982	C-404	Shot down by Sea Harrier ZA190/"009". Pilot Ejected
May 21,1982	C-407	Shot down by Sea Harrier ZA175/"004". Pilot Ejected
May 21,1982	C-409	Shot down by Sea Harrier XZ455/"12". Pilot Ejected
May 24,1982	C-410	Shot down by Sea Harrier ZA193/"93". Pilot Ejected
May 24,1982	C-419	Shot down by Sea Harrier XZ457/"14". Pilot Lt. Castillo died
May 21,1982	C-428	Shot down by SAM Sea Wolf HMS Broadsword (F88). Pilot Lt. Bean died
May 24,1982	C-430	Shot down by Sea Harrier XZ457/"14". Pilot Ejected
May 1,1982	C-433	Shot down by Sea Harrier XZ455/"12". Pilot Lt. Ardiles died
May 29,1982	C-436	Shot down by SAM Rapier. Pilot Lt. Bernhard died
May 23,1982	C-437	Shot down by by Sea Harrier ZA194. Pilot Lt. Volponi died

Maybe in chronological order?--Necessary Evil 00:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I put them by tail code , but yes I think now that by date + location would be better Jor70 02:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KC-130

Is a KC-130 tanker not just an ordinary C-130, with a refuelling kit? I've read that the two KC-130 tankers had the codenames "París" and "Berlín". I've just forgot my source; do you have some comments ? Necessary Evil 17:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

No, only TC-69 and TC-70 could done aerial refuel, the kit was not changeable to the others airframes. I not remember reading about Paris and Berlin, I know they were/are popularly called Chancha (female pig) Jor70 18:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps they were call signs for TC-69 and TC-70 in an attack plan: "..rendezvous with PARÍS on the way out and rendezvous with BERLÍN on the way home..." ?? I recall some of the skyhawks was called VULCANO, ZEUS, MARTE, TORO ETC. Was the aircraft individually painted or was it call signs for one strike? Necessary Evil 17:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Every flight mission (strikes,transport,decoy,refuel,...) issued by the FAS (Fuerza Aerea Sur) was called in Spanish Orden Fragmentaria and had a radio signal. Examples are Orden Fragmentaria 1177 : 4 A-4B named Cuña 1 to Cuña 4 , Orden Fragmentaria 2258 (C-130 shot down while perfoming recognition)was Tiza. Cpt Carballo for example was Nene 1 when his section attack Antelope and was Vulcano 1 against the Coventry. KC-130s often used Perro (Dog) 1 and Perro 2 but were always affectively called chanchas --Jor70 18:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

That sounds very interesting, there could be a whole new article regarding Argentine missions with call signs and pilots etc. I can remember a map, with PARÍS and BERLÍN as areas, where Skyhawks and/or Super Etendart could meet KC-130's. Regards Necessary Evil 21:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The best book that I know about this is this one written by FAA officer. There is also a english translated edition --Jor70 22:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You tube link

Isn't the video copyrighted and therefore not to be linked to?GraemeLeggett 16:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

dont think so, Youtube allows to be linked to them and the content itself would be deleted by Youtube if is not appropiated Jor70 17:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More detail

I would like to add more coverage of FAA and COAN actions, but I would like to known first if there are any objections. Jor70 17:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Good idea, but perhaps as subarticles. Necessary Evil 20:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Argentine Air Force general ranks

Hi User:Jor70. Fuerza Aérea Argentina has three generalranks:

• Brigadier General — 3-star or Lieutenant General
• Brigadier Mayor — 2-star or Major General
• Brigadier — 1-star or Brigadier General
  

In the article it's like all senior AF officers are 1-star generals, wasn't Ernesto Crespo a 2-star general? And was Lami Dozo the only 3-star general? Necessary Evil 20:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

All commands were created during April'82 with Air Brigades chiefs choosen as their commanders, Crespo being from IV Air Brigade (a striker), Hughes from the VIII (a fighter), etc. Lami Dozo (AF chief of staff ) was the only 3-star whilst 2-star were AF chief of personel, AF chief of logistic, (non-combatants) etc. Wings commanders (Escuadrillas) were commodores and vice commodores .Jor70 22:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] T-34 armament

What kind of guns and rockets were the T-34 armed with? Or are it omitted because they didn't see action (all four were sabotaged at the Pebble Island raid)? If that's the case, it's OK with me. Did the MB.339 attack with guns (the two dead sailors on HMS Argonaut, at D-Day)? Regards Necessary Evil 13:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

T-34 used to have LAU-32 7-Tube rocket launcher plus SUU-11 7.62mm Minigun pod. Lt Owen Crippa, used rockets and gun fire when overfly the Argonaut during his recco flight. In fact, in his report he confirm the guns impact but didnt know about the rockets result. For engaged the british anphibious fleet alone ( flying twice over the area to determine the number of ships ) he was awarded with the max condecoration La Nacion Argentina al Heroico valor en Combate Jor70 14:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)