Talk:Arroyo Seco (Los Angeles County)

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Contents 1 Overflow in early 2005 was a controlled test 2 What's in a name 3 Merge proposal 4 Need for disambiguation page

[edit] Overflow in early 2005 was a controlled test

The overflow of Devil's Gate mentioned in this article makes it sound unintentional, but it was in fact a controlled test of the reservoir and spillway systems of the dam. This should be clarified. Mike Dillon 02:39, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

Okay, but a controlled test during a 10-year storm doesn't sound too believable. --fpo 03:38, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

I read it in an article in the Pasadena Star News around or about January 29, 2005. It took a few weeks to fill to the point where it could go over the spillway, so it was certainly was not an accidental overflow. Normally, there is no water in the reservoir. Mike Dillon 23:57, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

As you can see I took your advice and clarified it yesterday. --fpo 00:00, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

I still think the wording of the dam test stuff could be clearer, but I don't have solid information to know what exactly should be said. I was looking for some history on the dam and found out that it was taken out of normal operation in 1976. It was renovated in or around 1993 and as far as I know, the first test of filling the reservoir and testing the systems was the test in 2004-2005. I sent an email to the Pasadena Star-News to ask them to identify the article I read, but I have not heard back from them. I would like to contact the Los Angeles County Department of Public Works, who run the dam, to see if I can get any more information about the fill and spill test, but they don't have an email address. I'm not sure if I want to try to snail mail or telephone them... Mike Dillon 01:21, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

I also found the material concerning the testing of the dam a little unfounded and overall not necessary to the article. As a member of the Altadena Town Council I am very familiar with the people that work in the County, all the way to our Supervisor Mike Antonovich whom I consider a good friend. Yes the dam was retrofitted in the 90's, but it hasn't seen water like this probably since 1969, and at these rates of rainfall, never in its history. Remember it was installed in the early 40's. I stand corrected, in the early 20's. There was no way that the dam's spillway would not be in play during the 2005 season. We had measurements of rain in the canyons upwards of 70". Dept. of Pub Works has a web site: ladpw.org[1]. There are contact pages in there. Magi Media 03:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

[edit] What's in a name

I apologize for having been so insistent on spelling the name of the Watershed incorrectly. It is recorded as HAHAMONGNA. The place is pronounced: Hah-hah-mung-guh. The name derives fronm the Tongva name Hahamog-na: Hah-hah-mogue-nah. How it ended up with two n's wrapped around that g is beside me, but I see a red tag name of User:Tbrick has been changing the spellings. It sounds like my old Pasadena buddy Tim Brick who has been very involved with the watershed park. If so, thanks, and my apologies for the oversight. Magi Media 00:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

[edit] Merge proposal

In doing some stub-sorting for the new {{LosAngelesCountyCA-geo-stub}}, I ran across Arroyo Seco, Los Angeles, California. As far as I know, there is no community called Arroyo Seco for the city of Los Angeles, so I was tempted to just do a proposed deletion to have the article disappear. Having been created once, however, I felt the odds that it would be created again were great enough that it was probably best to just merge it into the Arroyo Seco article. According to my Thomas Guide (which can occasionally use some obsolete names for areas) I see Garvanza, Highland Park, Hermon and Montecito Heights along the Arroyo Seco in the City of Los Angeles (and possibly Monterey Hills and Cypress Park). The Arroyo Seco Neighborhood Council lists Hermon, Montecito Heights, Monterey Hills, Mount Washington, and Sycamore Grove. ^BlankVerse 02:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I'm missing the point here. You need to classify the Arroyo Seco before being able to accept it as an article? Or are you trying to identify it as a Los Angeles Community? The Arroyo Seco is to LA as the Grand Canyon is the Arizona. It is a very prominent land feature in the Los Angeles County. The cities you named are different zips in the City of LA. But the most active parts of the Arroyo Seco are in Pasadena and La Cañada Flintridge with NASA-JPL and the Hahamongna Watershed (Park). Those old names of Garvanza, Highland, Montecito Hts. are all various parks that were attractive sidelines to the original Arroyo Parkway viaduct, thereby it being called a PARKway. The Arroyo Seco had its name given to one of the original ranger districts of the Angeles National Forest. This is an important land feature worthy of every consideration for an article, and a Los Angeles classification. --Magi Media 03:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

The article title "Arroyo Seco, Los Angeles, California" implied that Arroyo Seco is a neighborhood of the city of Los Angeles. The importance of the waterway to the area is undisputed. -Will Beback 04:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Understood. I didn't name the article, I just added to it. I am arguing against a merge or (shudder) deletion if all that need happen is rename the article under a protocol for a geo feature specific to a metropolitan locale.--Magi Media 14:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need for disambiguation page

The name "Arroyo Seco" applies to a considerable number of places and watercourses. I propose a disambiguation page to sort this out. I am willing to produce the disambig page if there is no objection to the concept. Anlace 00:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

You know, at one time I had this Arroyo Seco article named "Arroyo Seco, Los Angeles, California," and some cycloptic individual remarked that it wasn't LA and bla-bla-bla. So it got redirected. Now there's a ton of diambiguated listings showing up at the head of this article. Go flippin' figure!!--Magi Media 03:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Will Beback for fixing the disambiguation proper.--Magi Media 05:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I hope we got it all straightened out. -Will Beback · † · 19:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks Will. Anlace 20:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)