Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American-Filipino

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[edit] American-Filipino

The result was Keep. Chris S. is right that the term doesn't seem to be used for the topic (Google search) but that's a case for renaming, not deletion. Clearly the concept is notable. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 16:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

American-Filipino (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Another neologism for a mixed ethnic group. Yes, there are people in the Philippines with American ancestors but there appears to be no consensus on the meaning of this particular term. American-Filipino, as far as I know, is not a mainstream term like Filipino-American is. And it seems like people use American-Filipino in the sense of Filipino-American; i.e. Filipinos in the US. I vote to delete or merge the info with Americans in the Philippines, Amerasian, or even Filipino-American if need be. Chris S. 03:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, the article is clear that the subject is Filipino people of American descent, and not an article about a neologism. The issue of the article's name or if it should be merged with an another article can be solved elsewhere. hateless 03:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Filipino-American since that one is more detailed than this. The article can be moved to userspace should anyone feel like merging anything. We do not keep several articles on the same topic. One is enough. Weak keep per the below I realize my mistake. MartinDK 10:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep as I see no reason to delete. Filipino-American is about people of Filipino ancestry in the United States while this article is about people of American ancestry in the Phillipines, so a redirect or merge would really not work. Dragomiloff 11:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment the fact of the matter is, "American-Filipino" was just coined to fit this definition. It is a definition that has not even been heard of in the Philippines or even among Filipinos in the United States. I mean, I myself have never heard of the term before seeing it on Wikipedia. FWIW, my own mother fits the definition of "American-Filipino" and she's never heard of the term. The term used is Amerasian and that's where the contents of the article should go until a more commonly accepted term comes into existence. A Google search of the term "American-Filipinos" garners only 21 results on Philippine sites and none of these are used in the way that the article defines the term. On the other hand, there are over 116 hits for Amerasians on Philippine sites. And as one can see, that is term used by the Philippine press. Another place for this subject is Filipino mestizo. My point is that there are already a number of articles that address this topic and another one isn't needed especially under a concocted and obscure name. Thanks. --Chris S. 15:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep no reason to delete. It's about people of American ancestry in the Philippines, and a re-direct/merge to Filipino-American wouldn't really work as Filipino-Americans are the other way round from this subject. --Arnzy (talk • contribs) 14:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I don't see how this can be a neologism and the topic is important enough. TSO1D 12:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep See Jewish American and American Jewish. Arguments are similarRaveenS 13:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Neologism FirefoxMan 16:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Albanian-American, Montenegrin-American, etc. are neologisms just as much as this one is. It is only natural and logical to prefix one’s distinct cultural and/or ethnic identity to the term that denotes one’s citizenship. These people are not only American, but citizens of the Philippines, and they differ from Filipino-Americans specifically in that the latter possess U.S. citizenship. —Lagalag 19:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Albanian-American is most certainly not a neologism. On the other hand, Montenegro has barely been an independent country for a year and in my view, I'd probably vote to delete its page. You also have to realize, that there are no droves of US immigrants to the Philippines just as there have been droves of Filipino immigrants to the United States. Very few if any of these so-called "American-Filipino" identifies themselves as such (you and I had this discussion before as far as other ethnicities were concerned). Do we seriously have to have an ad nauseam amount of American-XXXXX articles just because some American servicemen went to that country and impregnated the women there? American-French, American-British, and American-Mexican anyone? --Chris S. 22:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Response In many cases, as I have come to realize since our discussion, you do not willfully choose to identify as a member of an ethnic group. You simply are. And even if you were to choose not to identify with your own people, well, put a Han Chinese man who speaks Filipino in a room filled with other Filipinos and he is automatically labeled “Chinese-Filipino”. —Lagalag 23:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Follow-up Given that there seem to be no American-XXXXX articles, as you have pointed out, I would just then probably propose a merge into Americans in the Philippines and having Category:American-Filipinos deleted. —Lagalag 23:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment: That sounds more sensible, thanks. Going off-topic... As for my ethnic group, it's situational. In the end, I am a Filipino American and I'm a part of the long-established Filipino-American community. In certain situations, I simply say Filipino especially when saying American is redundant. With foreigners, I usually say I'm American. I'm all three, really. But, I don't say that I am a Cornish-Swiss-Tagalog-Bicolano-American or whatever especially since whatever culture that my Cornish great-great-grandfather or Bicolana grandmothers brought over to the US is largely unknown to me and thus not a part of my identity. --Chris S. 23:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep be consistent. TonyTheTiger 22:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
• keep as with all articles for immigrants from one country to another. How else are these people to be named? Hmains 04:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: It's not up to Wikipedia to name them. --Chris S. 05:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Americans in the Philippines. --Howard the Duck 10:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep comment to nominator: there is a dividing line between American-Filipinos and Filipino-Americans. They are NOT interchangeable. The first word is an adjective (American) and the second a noun (Filipino) - there goes the difference. comment to redirect or merger proponents: American-Filipinos does not necessarily live in the Philippines so a merge or a redirect can be misleading. --RebSkii 18:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• KEEP per discussion SweetGodiva 23:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:NEO - neologisms are allowed if they're notable, and this one is quite notable. Otherwise, we'll have to get rid of Godwin's Law, Chewbacca Defense, and a bunch of other notable goodies. -Patstuart^talk|edits 02:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.