Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Florida Forensic League, Inc.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS —Whouk (talk) 08:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Florida Forensic League, Inc.

Delete - This article is on a nn organization with under 1500 google hits. The article itself is simply a bunch of different lists, with the highlight being the "history" section (it was created in 2003). NN. pm_shef 23:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Forensics is a notable activity, but I don't think each of its state chapters deserves an article. Metros232 23:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete. There probably is more history that can be added than is in the article right now. I'm not sure what it adds to the article, though. The major content of the article is the list of winners, and that, alas, isn't very encyclopaedic. Also, as goes this article, probably should go other state league articles (e.g. California's). —C.Fred (talk) 02:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. There is more history to the league, along with additional information regarding the officers and competitors that can be put here. Give others the time to contribute to the page.--Buckaroo54 12:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • What more history can there be for an organization that's been in existance for 3 years? Also, most of this information is unencyclopedic. A list of officers, a list of award winners...those belong on a state website, not a Wikipedia article. Metros232 12:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
    • The organization has been in existence in its current legal form for only three years; it goes back further under prior name/structure. History is a worthy addition to the page. I don't think officer and competitor information is useful for an encyclopaedic article, though. On that I agree with Metros232: lists of winners belong on the FFL web page and not here. —C.Fred (talk) 21:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Well one thing the article would need to assert then (if kept) is the history of it. I didn't understand that part really and assumed it meant that people were working to organize it for a bit and finally achieved active status in 2003. Metros232 21:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment My main objection to the article is the fact that it is nothing more than a collection of unencyclopedic lists. My quip about this history section was meant to be sarcastic. - pm_shef 23:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC) - pm_shef 23:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
• Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas Forensic Association
  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PHSSL
  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ohio High School Speech League
  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/California High School Speech Association
  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Florida Forensic League, Inc.
  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wisconsin Forensics Coaches Association
  pm_shef 00:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete; Wikipedia is not a backup service for floridaforensics.org or any other website. Find some nontrivial third-party reviews for references, or I see no reason to keep. Melchoir 01:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep State forensic leagues are not mere chapters. They have hundreds of events each year, thousands of participants and are the main way in which NFL members gain experience. It is like saying we should not have a New York Mets page, since we have one for Major League Baseball. In addition, state leagues sponsor different events than the NFL does. These would be lost if there were not state level pages. In addition, there is more to this page already than there is for most of the High School pages in Wikipedia. Sure, the page needs work, but a lot of our pages do. See also the discussions at Talk:National Forensic League, where active encouragement has been given to developing State league pages. --CTSWyneken 13:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't know if one or two people (Wikistar) saying there should be state league articles counts as there being "active encouragement" for these pages. Metros232 13:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment The encouragement is recent, therefore, active. Since there are not exactly a high number of editors working on article or the broader movemnet, I believe it is significant. --CTSWyneken 13:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment The information on this page is the same type of information that is found on the NCFL page. Both articles have an extremely brief history, a description of events offered, and information about the tournaments offered. This article, however, goes so far as to describe the league officers, the individual districts in the league, the qualification criteria, and the champions in each event, all of which are not included on the NCFL page. This seems to indicate that this article is, in fact, more comprehensive than national forensics articles. --Buckaroo54 17:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Several remarks have been made regarding the lists of winners found on this page. If that is the main problem with the article, then can we not move that content to a page similar to NCFL Grand National 2006 (or delete it, if it is necessary) instead of deleting this entire page?--Buckaroo54 17:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Response While the list of winners is a major problem with this page, its removal would not, IMO, make the article any more encyclopedic. - pm_shef 22:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.