Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gavin Hoyte

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete as WP:BIO failures. The articles can be recreated if-and-when the players become notable. (aeropagitica) 05:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gavin Hoyte

These all are players in Arsenal's reserve squad who have not played a competitive first team match. They fail WP:BIO. I haven't included Ryan Garry because he has played 1 League and 1 League Cup game but there may be views on this. I also nominate:

• Fran Merida
• Vincent van den Berg
• Armand Traore
• Wojciech Szczęsny

Delete all. BlueValour 22:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• Armand Traore may be speedied (and has been flagged as such) as it has previously been successfully nominated for deletion. Delete the rest per WP:BIO and only recreate if and when they are included in the first team squad list. Qwghlm 23:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. – Elisson • Talk 13:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete without prejudice if they play first-team football in the future. Right now they don't meet WP:BIO. Punkmorten 14:11, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all per User:Punkmorten :) Dlohcierekim 20:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • switch to weak keep per Siva. :) Dlohcierekim 03:32, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Back to delete then. :) Dlohcierekim 13:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep all. Firstly, the statement made by the nominator in which this article fails WP:BIO is inaccurate. Allow me to voice out the reasons. WP:BIO states this (and I quote): Articles about first team squad members who have not made a first team appearance may also be appropriate, but only if the individual is at a club of sufficient stature that most members of its squad are worthy of articles. Is Arsenal a club of sufficient stature? Of course it is! It is one of the most successful clubs in English football. Moreover, these articles pass WP:V hands down, which is an official policy in Wikipedia. On top of that, the Arsenal Reserves play in the top reserve football league in England, which may also be classified as amateur sports or more accurately amature football. We are not talking about a second division reserve team here. We are dealing with one of the top football clubs in England and surely all the football players within this club are inherently notable. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 03:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC) switched to Delete per Qwghhlm's comments. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 12:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
  • The relevant words in that policy are first team. None of these players are first team squad members, they are all reserve players. Top reserve league or not, they fail to satisfy WP:BIO. As both myself and Punkmorten have noted, if any of them become first team squad players, then they're OK for addition, but only then. Qwghlm 08:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Yes, I have to admit that I made a slight mistake here. These players are not even in the first team squad and they have not achieved anything notable yet. Thank you for pointing out this error to me. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 12:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Strong delete, as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniele Capelloni and other previous AfDs. --Angelo 18:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, according to WP:BIO, not first team Xobxela 09:45, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep What harm are they doing being there? They'll all probably all be in the first team soon anyway, so deleting them would only mean making them again. -- Mattythewhite 8/9/06

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.