Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Toews

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep Eluchil404 02:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jonathan Toews

Fails every test in WP:BIO. Being a collegiate hockey player with the potential to get drafted does not make one encyclopedic. Kershner 22:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. I just denied speedy deletion of the article. The guy played in the national team for the 2006 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships and seems to be highly ranked by the scouts for the 2006 NHL Entry Draft. I don't know much about ice hockey, so I just guess he will be drafted and will be notable six days from now, which will make deleting this article five days from now a bit pointless. Kusma (討論) 22:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep. I think he's notable already, but if not, he is guaranteed to be in exactly six days. And did you miss the section in WP:BIO that says "highest level in mainly amateur sports, including college sports in the United States"? BoojiBoy 22:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Normally, i would say delete to an ice hockey player who has never played a single NHL game, but i feel differently about amateur players who are extremely high ranked with an extremely high possiblity of playing professionaly. It would be different, though, if he was a player with little to no chance of making the big leagues. Masterhatch 01:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Wow, Toews is the highest Canadian prospect for the NHL draft. He is most definitely worthy of an article. -- JamesTeterenko 02:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Yeah, Strong Keep, I find it ironic that if this gets deleted for Toews not being notable enough, then a day or two after it is deleted he then becomes notable because of the draft. It'd save everyone a hassle if this is kept, just because it'll be re-created anyways on Saturday or Sunday by someone. Teterenko! You just edit conflicted me! Croat Canuck Go Croatia Go 02:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Seriously? Are the Deletionists on a big rally today? I'm sorry man it's been a bad day, but Kershner, this guy does deserves to have his own article. It's worth it. DMighton 02:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment No offense taken. What I like about the AfD process, is that it is a relatively reliable way of finding out the notability and importance of a person. If I suspect vanity, I often aggressively pursue deletion. As in this case, articles where the subject has legitimate merit have more than the original creator to defend them. Such articles get kept, while the trash is deleted. The system works.  :) Also, WP:HEY. Kershner 02:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Hey-oh. Thanks, no offence was meant of course. And I agree the system works. We just have a guy right now trying to delete hockey team stubs and it is really annoying because he really just seems to be doing it for the pleasure of doing it. I respect the system and peoples opinions, I'm just annoyed by some peoples political agendas. DMighton 06:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep: "Sportspeople/athletes who have played ... at the highest level in mainly amateur sports, including college sports in the United States." (emphasis mine) Ranked third on the Central Scouting rankings doesn't denote the "potential" to get drafted; it denotes a certainty that he's not going to fall below the top ten in the first round. This kid tied for fifteenth in the nation in goals as a freshman and is a first-line starter for one of the top programs in the NCAA. He's scarcely a scrub. RGTraynor 02:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable. Golfcam 02:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Toews is not a possible draft pick, he is a definite first round draft pick. He has played at the highest level of his age group, at the highest level of college athletics, and is projected to be a guaranteed NHLer. Resolute 03:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. This guy doesn NOT meet the requirements of notability and should not be here. Maybe if actually achieves something this might change but WP should not be filled up with people with potential. Robertsteadman 09:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Then possibly you should work to overturn the part of WP:BIO clearly stating the notability of American college athletes. RGTraynor 20:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep WP:BIO is a guideline, not a policy. Toews is an highly ranked draftee, the exception to WP:BIO is worthy, much like Adam Morrison or any other listed here: 2006_NHL_Entry_Draft, here: 2006 NBA Draft#Projected draftees, or any of draftees here 2006_NFL_Draft whose articles were created long before the actual event took place. (See my comments about this very subject a few months ago here) ccwaters 14:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I think this is pretty close to a consensus to close (one dissenting vote notwithstanding), but I can guarantee this article will see gigantic traffic come Saturday. Hopefully the AFD can be closed by then so there isn't a major influx of traffic on the AFD that might be disruptive. BoojiBoy 14:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:BIO. -- Usgnus 15:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 16:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment It looks like the article creator snagged his copy from here. I suggest someone replace the text very quickly. Keeping in line with my previous comment: Toews deserves an article, preferably one without CV. ccwaters 17:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

CV removed. Thanks. ccwaters 17:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Toews is drawing interest from the public because of his draft ranking, he has played for Team Canada, and this stub will develop into a complete article once he is drafted this weekend. Pmorrow136 17:41 ET, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, obviously meets WP:BIO. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

• I think there is lots of stuff on wikipedia that needs deleting, but this isn;t one of them. Keep. - Dyslexic agnostic 19:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep, the guy is protected to be a top five draft pick in Saturday's draft. Kinda silly that it is nominated for deletion. --FrankCostanza 01:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.