Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Kelly (journalist)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. No evidence of notability per WP:BIO provided despite assertions of notability. Proto::► 11:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Kelly (journalist)

Michael Kelly (journalist) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable journalist; all the external links are trivial references only (articles under his byline, directory entries, etc.) and so fail WP:N. The talk page claims he was a guest on The Late Late Show where he debated Richard Dawkins, but that show is viewable online and shows Gerard Casey (philosopher) as the guest who debates Dawkins. From the unsourced detail about his early life, the creation by a single purpose account and the similar shenanigans on the related The Irish Catholic article, I suspect a WP:COI. Demiurge 19:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete- per nom, and it doesn't seem like he did anything important--SUIT 19:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:NN--Anthony.bradbury 20:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per well-stated nom. Dar-Ape 20:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - a competent journalist doing what he's paid to do. Not notable.Glendoremus 21:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, columnist for a well-established newspaper. --Duke of Duchess Street 03:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Fang Aili ^talk 05:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, Expand as he is a columnist for a established newspaper. DoDoBirds 12:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC) — DoDoBirds (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Comment - The article makes an undocumented claim that he is a columnist but the article goes on to say that he is a staffer who contributes to a column--that does not necessarily make him a columnist. The article does not make a good (documented) case for his notabilty.Glendoremus 18:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, Expand as he is a columnist for a established newspaper. — Hotandspicy (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Quarl ^(talk) 08:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Does not appear to meet WP:BIO. Prolog 09:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. And the fact(?) that he's a columnist for an established newspaper does not, in itself make him notable, however notable the newspaper may be; notability must be 'earned', it doesn't rub off something else. Emeraude 14:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
• keep In a sense it does, because well known newspapers pay for notable content. It's like knowing which publisher published a book.Not definitive, but it helps. DGG 06:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Appears to be suitably notable in Ireland, which means he's notable enough. Moscatanix 15:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, notable enough ion catholic circles Alf photoman 20:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete there are no non-trivial mentions of him in independent sources, though he fails WP:BIO TSO1D 22:44, 2 January 2007
• Keep, writes for a well-established and popular paper in Ireland, has numerous independent references —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.203.57.176 (talk • contribs).
  • Comment When I saw this listed on Articles for Deletion I was terrified that somebody had nominated Michael Kelly, the late editor of The Atlantic who died in Iraq, for deletion. I see that the Michael Kelly I thought of was Michael Kelly (editor). If the Irish Michael Kelly stays, the page needs to be relabeled or at least have a If you searched for the American Journalist Michael Kelly heading atop his article. Michael Kelly (editor) is a journalist, and as a former columnist for The Washington Post and the former editor of two major American magazines, it's not hyperbole to say he's a dramatically better known journalist.--JayHenry 18:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable journalist. If anyone wants to add some of these references that got mentioned I could be persuaded to change my mind. One Night In Hackney 18:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

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