Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scuderi Split Cycle Engine
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[edit] Scuderi Split Cycle Engine
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This article has turned into nothing but a promotional piece for the Scuderi group. Its is written from the perspective of the company and likely by members of the company. Its only source that is not the company's web site turns out to be a reprint of the company's own literature so is hardly reliable. The Scuderi engine exists only in theory, as a working prototype has never been produced. Acces to the computer simulations the company claims shows their engine is a major breakthrough are apparently only available if you sign an NDA first. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball nor is it an appropriate place to promote a speculative technology. Until independent and reliable sources have had the chance to review a working engine and report their findings, I don't believe we should be hosting this article Gwernol 19:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Tricky one, and I'm glad you are watching this article. It undoubtedly is a technology that is being worked on very seriously, and for all I can tell may well be viable. (he said politely, I doubt it actually). As such, there is no doubt in my mind that it deserves an article. BUT. The behaviour of the current active editor is extremely poor, in a Wiki context. Obviously actions like deleting the AfD and No Sources boxes are completely unnacceptable, and many of their other edits have needed reverting. So, perhaps we have an editor problem more than an article problem? Deleting the article to punish a rogue editor seems spiteful more than helpful. Greglocock 21:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- I agree this one is tricky. I started working on this article in June 2006, so I have some history with it. Unfortunately it is increasingly becoming clear that the claims made in the article are currently unproved. It might be possible to reduce this to a stub, containing the bare minimum of verifiable information and removing all future predictions of performance, but I fear it would soon be overrun again by the Scuderi company. If the community would prefer that approach I'm happy to jump in and do the trimming work. The question is, would there even be enough left to have a viable article? Gwernol 22:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- I worked up a quick draft of a minimalist version of the article. This would need proper sourcing, but I believe we could do that from the Wired article. Everything else would be removed. Is this worth having? Gwernol 22:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Nice work, but I think I stand by what I said below. That article does not actually assert the notability of the subject. J Milburn 22:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- I worked up a quick draft of a minimalist version of the article. This would need proper sourcing, but I believe we could do that from the Wired article. Everything else would be removed. Is this worth having? Gwernol 22:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- I agree this one is tricky. I started working on this article in June 2006, so I have some history with it. Unfortunately it is increasingly becoming clear that the claims made in the article are currently unproved. It might be possible to reduce this to a stub, containing the bare minimum of verifiable information and removing all future predictions of performance, but I fear it would soon be overrun again by the Scuderi company. If the community would prefer that approach I'm happy to jump in and do the trimming work. The question is, would there even be enough left to have a viable article? Gwernol 22:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. There is no assertion of notability, and the article is in breach of WP:V, quote- "Salvatore Scuderi is president of Scuderi Group, LLC and has released all information above either at various investor meetings and/or on company websites. Some material such as Steam Engine Turbine capability does not have attributions online because the technology has not yet been published on their website because of how recently it was patented." J Milburn 22:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
- (comment moved from top of page): I would like for you to explain to me what exactly you are proving by having this removed from the system. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sg300c (talk • contribs).
- What we are doing is trying to keep this an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia is the summarization of work that has been published and reviewed in reliable sources. If you read the list of things that Wikipedia excludes you'll see that "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred". At present almost all the material in the article is speculation that cannot be verified from independent sources because there is no working prototype that has been independently studied. All the claims in the article are speculation and worse, most of them are speculation by the Scuderi group itself, hardly an unbiased source. Gwernol 00:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete "While no working prototype of the engine exists" -- if it ever does, and if anyone outside the group actually writes about it, then it will be time for an article. DGG 00:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok I understand the position you are stating but please try to understand that because this is so new and there is no prototype completed YET! I cannot prove to you it's legitimacy. I was simply just trying to spread the word about the new technology becuase it has such great potential to revolutionize the engine market. I am not part of the company either I am engine buff that reviewed the technology and invested in it because I see a homerun on this technology. Having said that if you still feel it needs to be removed then so be it, but just remember what the Scuderi Engine is. Even though this is here say everything in document is correct and it will only be time before it can be proven to you aswell. Have a good day!
