Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Transgender Day of Remembrance Webcomics Project

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP. -Doc^g 00:51, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Transgender Day of Remembrance Webcomics Project

Transgender Day of Remembrance Webcomics Project (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Notability not asserted, lacks any third party reliable sources and I couldn't find any: there are only 20 hits on google bogdan 09:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:WEB and WP:V; possibly a hoax. Walton monarchist89 11:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

• I would like to state that I am now satisfied that the article is not a hoax, per User:Coelacan's comments on my talk page. However, my vote is still Delete. Walton monarchist89 18:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, it's interesting that some of the 24 webcomics that are included in 2006 don't list the fact on their sites (Google doesn't pick up anything on them!) With lack of 3rd party coverage, fails WP:V as well as lack of notability. SkierRMH 19:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. After as thorough an invsestigation as google could provide, I can see no indication that this fulfills our notability guidelines, WP:WEB in particular. There is a single external link on Transgender Day of Remembrance and I think that is appropriate and sufficient. — coelacan talk — 18:55, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. Wow, y'all are even going after the articles I DIDN'T have any kind of hand in! That's four this week! I was joking about taking this personally, but now I'm not so sure. Anyways, seeing as I didn't write anything involved in this, I'm not gonna vote to delete it. However, seeing as I really don't want anything involving me here anymore (especially after this), I ain't even gonna vote (even though it really doesn't meet notability (for once)). Wow, you guys are vindictive! Jenn Dolari 07:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. I would be interested in hearing what the nominator has to say about this. --Kizor 12:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I would like to say, in User:Bogdangiusca's defence, that I do not believe this is a personal vendetta at all, nor am I going around saying he's personally responsible. I'm looking more at the general "Webcomic Deletionists." I have some pretty jaded eyes, sure (I left Wikipedia for a reason), but the timing of the AFDs all at once, particularly this one, sure leaves me feeling I'm being singled out. Jenn Dolari 19:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
• keep Google doesn't capture everything. Relying on it alone and not doing a narrower manual search is academic laziness at best. I have participated in the DOR webcomics project for two years, and my entries can be located here and here. Many of the webcomic artists elect to post their entries temporarily as either a splash page or as a comic page. After the event, these pages are often removed so as not to interrupt the flow of the comic to archive readers. Furthermore, That was Zen This is Tao's entry can be located 2006, Grey Matters 2006, Misfile 2006, Transe-Generations 2004 2005, 2006, Triquetra Cats 2006, and Venus Ascending 2005. This is what I've found with only 20 minutes of time and there are far more I could find with another 20 minutes. Just in case this is a vendetta against Jenn Dolari, I have purposely omitted her entries. Google does not find everything. --Tessmonsta 13:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Being mentioned on a couple of blogs does not make one notable. bogdan 14:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I would like to say, in User:Bogdangiusca's defence, that I do not believe this is a personal vendetta at all, nor am I going around saying he's personally responsible. I'm looking more at the general "Webcomic Deletionists." I have some pretty jaded eyes, sure (I left Wikipedia for a reason), but the timing of the AFDs all at once, particularly this one, sure leaves me feeling I'm being singled out. Jenn Dolari 19:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete a noble aim, don't get me wrong. The project has my full support, but does not currently meet our notability requirements. - Francis Tyers · 13:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - as per User:Tessmonsta - Alison^✍ 14:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - this is important, and notable, to a lot of people. Kether83 15:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - Being TG, I can't vote without bias, so I refrain, but this VfD may be subjected to Meatpuppets. KittenMya 15:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - It seems that User:Bogdangiusca has a personal vendetta against user User:Jenn Dolari as evidenced by the fact that he has been going around deleting anything Jenn has been associated with. It is in violation of Wikipedia policy, and I vote this article is to be kept, as he is in the wrong here. Not only that, but as mention prior, several popular webcomics have featured a Day of Remembrance comic on their website. --JBladen 18:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I would like to say, in User:Bogdangiusca's defence, that I do not believe this is a personal vendetta at all, nor am I going around saying he's personally responsible. I'm looking more at the general "Webcomic Deletionists." I have some pretty jaded eyes, sure (I left Wikipedia for a reason), but the timing of the AFDs all at once, particularly this one, sure leaves me feeling I'm being singled out. Jenn Dolari 19:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep - important to a lot of people, and I see no reason it doesn't meet the notability criterion. Even if it did, a strong enforcement here would stink of prejudice given the looseness elsewhere. The article needs improvement, not deletion. -G.E. Wilker 18:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - I second the statement by User:Tessmonsta and also the concerns raised by User:GEWilker. tonei the genderqueer alaskan 21:08, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - not only would a Google search be ineffective with regard to the Day of Remembrance project but this is an important social and political project that certainly deserves its own article. It's important, it's notable and it's a big shame there's little more than a stub about it so far. --Zoe.R 01:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
• Merge with Transgender Day of Remembrance. I don't think that the article itself is notable (though I may have a bias against webcomics). As SkierRMH mentions, a number of the comics don't even mention this project on their site. However, a mention of it on the remembrance page might help to emphasize that page's subject's importance within the transgendered community, and help to make the notability of that page a little more evident to people outside that community. --- The Bethling^(Talk) 04:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge (same) Verfiability, original research, and reliability concerns are ungrounded due to readily confirmed primary source material. Specificly the site itself and multiple involved webcomics. Notability is legitimately in question, but the merged article can be sourced to the Washington Blade, the University of Maryland Diamondback, et al once notability is established the high reliance on primary sources is not an issue69.140.15.143 18:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delete WP:V WP:OR WP:N WP:RS /Blaxthos 08:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Merge As the original author of the page, I may have misunderstood the WP:N criteria when creating this page in good faith. After doing a Google and Alexa seach just now, I found a combined total of less than 50 hits. Some of this may have to do with the fact that it is an "internet event" in which individual pages of the contributors may not be correctly meta-tagged or commented by the authors (due maybe to using a template system to produce those pages), and hence slip through. In either case, it fails the strict WP:N criteria, and it's initial inclusion reflects my lack of experience in editing wikipedia. The page should be merged with Transgender_day_of_remembrance, for reasons listed under the 2nd and 3rd points at WP:MERGE#Merging Laura Seabrook January, 29, 2007 - 21:17:08 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Verifiable if one actually goes further than a google search and visits the actual webcomics, it is an event as such OR does not apply, the only real issue is notability but Wikipedia does not assert that an event be famous for it to be notable, only that it have meaning. I can assure you for the thousands of transgendered people out there, it is very significant and notable.
• Delete While I agree that it's a noble project, WP:ILIKEIT is not a keep criterion, and WP:V is necessary but not sufficient. It exists, but while I was hoping otherwise, I can't find a single reliable non-trivial secondary source mention, let alone multiple. Seraphimblade 15:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.