Talk:Baileys Irish Cream

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How quickly does Baileys go off? I assume one can't keep it for long, considering it has fresh cream as an ingredient, and my auntie has to drink it all once she's opened a bottle for that reason (though that might just be her excuse!!) Lady BlahDeBlah 13:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

According to Baileys' site [1] the cream is stable and if kept at a constant room temperature should last for quite awhile, they recommend drinking it within 24 months of bottling. Perhaps this should be added to the article. -- Ari 04:07, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

24 months of bottling? The storage temp. should make a difference. Any way to request clarification from the manufacturer?--71.139.138.14 04:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I usually have a bottle of Baileys in the freezer. It will make the drink a lot thicker (but if your freezer temp. is set too low, it will freeze it). I have had bottles on the freezer for up to a year with no change in flavor. Quase 18:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

"It has an enticing almond, hazelnut/nutmeg aroma and a rich, smooth, sweet taste." i understand a description should be made, but this seems like something from a label. 198.166.226.14 21:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. The whole intro reads is if it were written by the company itself. I'll try to make a few small changes. --Loudsox 03:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess, that is because the creator of the article basically did a quick copy-paste from an official website. With respect, Deliogul 21:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I've heard the "Cement Mixer" called "the Womans Revenge". Haven't added it to the main article in case it is too obscure. -- Horkana

In re: "the cement mixer", the article makes it sound like this is a cocktail that one drinks on purpose; I've only ever seen it thrust upon an unsuspecting-and-inebriated victim, who then proceeds to get sick from the coagulation. Icky. --JD79 14:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Dutch Article on the 'urban legend'. I have moved the line mentioning this article up to the 'urban legend' section, but perhaps it should be in the 'References' section instead, and a reference link be given in the 'urban legend' section instead? If so, please feel free to make that change. 83.84.36.96 12:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Adding Commercial Links 2 An unsigned comment by 66.9.147.146 3 Formatting 4 Tidied up a bit

[edit] Adding Commercial Links

In addition to the official Bailey's site, Diageo also has a website that they've designed as a extra resource for their brands. It is www.thebar.com- I think this link would be useful to add to the page. Any thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jack The Bartender (talk • contribs) 17:18, November 21, 2006 (UTC)

Based on the comments on your talk page regarding your commercial connection to that site, and on Wikipedia NPOV policy; I'd say it's a resounding "no". -- weirdoactor ^t|c -- 23:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An unsigned comment by 66.9.147.146

The Jagoes link seems to be a cynical attempt to link a recent imitation of Baileys to the original brand through a dubvious claim that the creater of the new drink was linked to the original creation of Baileys. The rest of my recent edit is based on the information freely available on the www.baileys.com website - if this information is factually incorrect then surely someone would sue Baileys - they're hardly going to get away with putting lies in writing on their official website. Instead of discarding my changes wholesale and reverting to the Jagoes promotion copy, why not cross check my information with the offical facts on Baileys.com story section and remove any language that you feel is too subjective. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.9.147.146 (talk) 19:34, December 2, 2006

Perhaps you could add cited material in an encyclopedic (rather than press release) format and style to articles, so that others don't have to clean up after you. Just a thought...you also might consider signing your posts (type four tildes, like this - ~~~~). -- weirdoactor ^t|c -- 07:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I found it really necessary to revert wholesale because the overall tone of the new additions did not match Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy; the writing style was good, but resembled a Baileys publicity piece. But don't take my word for it, here is the link [2]. It is peppered with words like "revolutionary", "growing at an incredible rate and was rapidly followed by several imitations" ("similar competitors" is more neutral).

The addition I most noticed was this new section "The Baileys Farms": Baileys sources it's cream from 1,500 specially chosen, family owned, Irish farms where a total of around 40,000 cows produce milk exclusively for Baileys. Irish cows, unlike most cows, are kept outdoors in the fresh air for nine months of the year to feed on fresh, green Irish grass.' This is a wonderful piece of advertising copy, but if we trim out the ad-speak (would we really expect grass to be other than green, or Irish farms to have other than Irish grass, or any other kind of cow in the world to eat Irish grass?), we end up with Baileys state that they source their cream from 40,000 cows on family owned Irish farms, which doesn't seem to me to be a fact worth noting, still less worthy of a whole section.

The reference to a shared creator is interesting. I realise that it is not contradictory. I took "R&A Bailey discovered a revolutionary way to naturally mix cream with whiskey" to be a reference to people (R&A Bailey). In fact, they are the company, so they would have had employees involved, they are fully owned by their parent company and may have employed development companies. This should be sourced of course, but if this claim is "dubious" it seems to be that the owners of Baileys would have take immediate legal action against any new product making a claim of co-creator that can't be backed up.

We also see oddities like moving a section after references, and adding a raft of new "nice sounding" cocktails like "Baileys Martini (Shaken with Ice)", while removing the "nasty" ones like Irish Lobotomy or Orgasm. No idea if these are real, but neither the old or new list had sources. (There is a reference to a publication, but this unfortunately is not backed up with inline citations which I believe are necessary so we know which parts of the article are sourced.), and finally a link to "recent advertising" which some would say was a little overcommercial (let the official site offer that).

I hope these comments are helpful in understanding why I went for a complete revert, rather than trying to massage the new addition to fit Wikipedia's polcies and guidelines. Notinasnaid 11:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting

This is probably one of the most poorly organized articles I have come across in quite awhile. There is no rhyme or reason to the formatting; the article reads like a bunch of random facts thrown together. If anyone has any suggestions on how this article should be better organized, I'd be happy to work on it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.2.233.44 (talk) 23:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Tidied up a bit

Basically made it less of an advertisment, removing the more flowery language. I also added sections on manufacture and storage. The information on manufacture is all on the Baileys website, though it isn't all in one place - you have to dig a bit, there is quite a lot in the FAQ. While I can see why the reversion was done, it didn't really make it a good article. Hopefully this is a step in the right direction.

I am not completely convinced however that this article even needs to exist, and that the various brands of Irish Cream do not belong as a sub-heading in the article about Irish Cream generally. Abbeyvet 11:30, 20th January 2007 (UTC)