Talk:Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa
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[edit] note
Please note that the writer of the entry about the battle probably meant IMPETUS rather than INERTIA.
clemgriffith@btinternet.com
The numbers for combatants and casualties seems to be wildly over the top - rasmusdf
[edit] The article is not good....and neutral it is not...
The iberian almohads could have not rasied 460 000 men for battle, even if presummably they would have called to arms all the adult male population of thery iberian empire (which had aproximattley 1 milion in total) .... The number is fantasticcly high, surely an exagerattion by some early medieval chronicle which ussualy tend to exaggerate the numbers of the enemyes.... Putting this into Wikipedia, i think, was not wise and correct at all...Logically, all the scheme should be reconsidered whith historicaly accurate data... Both armyes where about the same, in any case no larger then 30 000 men (from my historicall knowledge, i read several accounts), and the charge of the king of Arragon decided the battle in favour of the spanish. Macedon19
Hi Macedon19, which accounts? The sources of muslims and christians talk about houndred thousands men, the moderate dates of historians for both armies are of 60-70 thousands men for the christians, and 100-120 thousand men for the almohads. Can you give us more details? bye
[edit] Clarification needed
The crushing defeat of the Almohads significantly hastened their decline both in the Iberian Peninsula and in the Maghreb a decade later, this would give further momentum to the Christian Reconquest begun by the kingdoms of northern Iberia centuries before, resulting in a sharp reduction in the already declining power of the Moors in the Iberian Peninsula. Shortly after the battle, the Castilians retook Baeza, a fortified major city nearby the battlefield, and the key to invade Andalucia. Thereafter, Ferdinand III of Castile retook Cordoba in 1236, Jaen in 1246, and Seville in 1248; and only the death prevented him from crossing the strait of Gibraltar to take the war to heartland of the Almohad empire.
"...the death..." , well it wasn't Ferdinand's since he lived until 1252, so it must have been Caliph Muhammad al-Nasir's death, but how could the death of an enemy commander prevent Ferdinand from carrying the war across the Gibraltar Strait? The paragraph definitely needs some rework. Leonard G. 02:33, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Clarification given
Yes, it was the Ferdinand's death. Ferdinand III died in Seville on 30 May 1252, when a pestilence spread throughout part of the Iberian peninsula while he was preparing his army and fleet to cross the Gibraltar Strait. By then, the Almohad empire was over; and a new association of African tribes, the Marīnids, had taken control of the Magreb and most of the former Almohad empire was under their rule.
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