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[edit] Fashion side of Berets?
I think the article is too military-oriented. The kind of impression I got from this article was "berets are mainly military hats, not much else", which is definitely not true. What about berets worn for fashion? I love the part about berets being associated with film directors and painters. Could we build on that information further? (such as why? eg: The post-impressionist painter Camille Pissaro wore a beret. Did the artist/beret association originate from him?).
Also, I even often see young people wearing berets (in particular, the french berets) as a fashion statement these days. Can anyone from the fashion department comment on that? As information about berets is quite limited these days, I just thought that wikipedia may be a good place to store this information.
Would it be a good idea to move the "civilian" uses of berets to the top, and have the military info pushed down a bit?
Pactio kiss 06:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think most people would associate berets with the military. Some civilians may wear them, but they are worn by almost all military personnel in most countries. That's several million people - I don't think millions of civilians wear berets on a regular basis. -- Necrothesp 14:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
No, it is not a good idea to "the military info pushed down a bit". The military use of berets is the primary use of berets worldwide, and is such in the public perception. Trying to suppress the military aspect of the beret and adding in a picture of yourself does not add value to this article. If you want to enchance the article by expanding the non-military use of berets then please do so.
--Ng.j 17:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Origins
The béret is not originally from Pays basque but from Béarn, a Southern France's area just at the east of pays basque, and was first worn by Béarn herdsmen. It's a common mistake (even in France) to attribute béret's origin to the Basques but it's not true. If someone's interested to correct this. Stymphal 02:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tank corps
I have changed "Royal Tank Corps" to just "Tank Corps" and given this a link to the Royal Tank Regiment. The Tank Corps did not have the prefix "Royal" until 1923 (and this paragraph refers to an incident in 1918) and it later became the current Royal Tank Regiment; the change is addressed in the article for the RTR. LJade728 20:31, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Pictures
Some more pictures in Wikipedia: --Error 19:08, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Another picture: User:Profoss in Norwegian uniform: Image:Profoss.jpg.--Erri4a 01:27, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- More militar berets: Image:Chavezsurvivescoup.JPG (copyrighted) and XIX century es:Imagen:Tomaszumala.jpg (allegedly only for non-comercial use). --Erri4a 01:55, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The pictures are solely of military use now. I think it would be better to at least show variance or even actively shun this stereotype.
[edit] History of beret
In discussions about polish article we've found that beret was probably used in ancient ages. If someone's interested, please confront this infotmation with Français or Deutsch Wikipedia. Mlepicki 11:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Belgium
The Belgian armed forces since 2002 have an unified command structure and consist of four components: Land, Air, Navy and Medical component. Before there were the Army (Land force), Air force, and Navy (Sea force), as well as the Medical Service. It is thus not correct anymore to speak of Belgian "Air Force" or "Navy", although these terms will probably remain in colloquial use. See Belgian army official site. (site in Dutch or French)
LHOON 07:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
The list is incomplete, Denmark also uses Beret for all army units.
- Of course it's incomplete. Most countries use the beret. If you know of more information, it's better that you add it to the article rather than saying the article's incomplete. -- Necrothesp 17:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] References
I've gone ahead and added references where I could, but this entire article smacks of "original research" which is against wikipedia policy. I'd recommend any editors that have contributed provide a reference for the information included here. Otherwise, large tracts should properly be deleted as "original research". The standards for verifiability don't seem to be met for most of the nationalities.Michael Dorosh 18:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Good to have references, but they are often hard to find on the web! However, a description as the country sections in this article is not exactly what i understand as original research, the latter being more related to scientific research topics and the like. LHOON 20:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- I agree online references are hard to find, but nothing says the references have to be online. Every army has written dress regulations; a reference to those would suffice for verifiability, I think. Barring that, books for militaria collectors would be a prime source. I've reference both these types of sources in the footnotes so far, I would encourage others to do the same.Michael Dorosh 20:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Berets in politics
Well, talking about civilian organizations, the main symbol of Hugo Chavez the actual president of Venezuela is the red beret.
[edit] Sweden
Added some colours, using this site (in swedish), as a source.
Didnt know how to translate "Gränsjägare" correctly, so I didnt add that one. 213.64.18.236 22:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
