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Contents 1 Discussion on WP:RM 1.1 Bill Richardson (politician) → Bill Richardson 2 Page name? 3 Profession 4 "Presidential Announcement" 5 Move diplomacy info? 6 Generation 2000 casinos 7 Confusing Biography: Re-write required? 8 Richardson's comment on first four states deciding 9 Ummm...are ya sure? 10 Secretary of Energy Box

[edit] Discussion on WP:RM

This entry was moved here from WP:RM, as a record of the discussion there. Please do not add to this archived content, but instead make new entries in the section below. Noel (talk) 14:23, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Richardson (politician) → Bill Richardson

There is consensus that Bill Richardson (politician) is a far better known personality than Bill Richardson (radio). I have moved the disambig at "Bill Richardson" to "Bill Richardson (disambiguation)" -- Jord 17:18, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• Oppose - Unless you were to move his page back to Bill Richardson, there's not much point in that. A bigger issue is probably that there have been a number of politicians named Bill (or William) Richardson, including a few other Congressmen and a longtime California state Senator (H.L. "Bill" Richardson) who ran for U.S. Senate. Outside of politics, there are probably any number of others. I'd recommend leaving the Bill Richardson page as a disambig, but moving the N.M. governor's page to Bill Richardson (governor) or Bill Richardson (New Mexico). MisfitToys 21:19, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
• Oppose there are too many famed individuals named Bill Richardson to justify the move...and more than just the two listed on the disambiguation page.—ExplorerCDT 21:42, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Oppose for the reasons MisfitToys stated above. I hope someone will add a few more Bill Richardsons to the list, even if they don't currently have articles. --LostLeviathan 21:51, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment: I just wonder whether the three authors named Bill Richardson (that I know of) will require a disambiguation page at Bill Richardson (author) and what their individual articles should be named. —ExplorerCDT 23:02, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    • No, Bill Richardson (author) should in that case be a redirect to the main disambiguation page for the name. No point in having a twisty maze of little disambiguation pages. Gdr 21:23, 2004 Dec 31 (UTC)
• Oppose can't really see any evidence of consensus (or discord for that matter) and who's to say there aren't others? Icundell 22:09, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Oppose. I'm canadian, and have heard of the radio guy, and never the politician. here's my biased vote. SECProto 03:47, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. What SECProto said. —Michael Z. 05:13, 2005 Jan 8 (UTC)

[edit] Page name?

As noted on Talk:Bill Richardson (politician) - I oppose in principle the moving of the article and replacement with disambig considering the politician is FAR more widely known (and has a full article vs. stub) compared to the CBC radio host. Also, moving the article has broken at least 10 wikilinks that are all evident from within the article (templates, infoboxes, succession order boxes for political office, etc). Since it was moved, I suggest someone (perhaps the mover, for example?) work on fixing this list: Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Bill_Richardson. --ABQCat 06:47, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Reviewing AGAIN the what links here for Bill Richardson, I do not note even a single link which refers to the CBC journalist. Is he notable to an extent that the article to which all other Bill Richardson links link is replaced with a disambig page? Why not disambiguate Bill Richardson (journalist) at the top of Bill Richardson, and replace the disambig page with the primary article to which links refer? If anyone has any objections, let me know, or I'll consider moving the page myself (or having it moved) in a few days. --ABQCat 08:35, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You're right. A simple disambig notice at the top would work fine. RadicalSubversiv E 08:41, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Agreed wholeheartedly. As a Canadian who occassionally listens to Richardson's Roundup, I can tell you that this is lunancy. I am making the change right now! - Jord 17:13, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Per discussion on WP:RM (see above) this page is back to being a disambig. Noel (talk) 14:23, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Profession

I have a bone to pick. It doesn't seem appropriate, I believe, to list someone's profession as "politician." After all, you don't go to school to learn how to be a politician. Lawyer, diplomat, farmer...these are professions. I'm going to peg Richardson with a profession in International Relations, considering what he studied in college, his work for the State Department with Congress, his personal interest in international relations while serving in Congress, and being ambassador to the UN under Clinton. If anybody has a better idea, feel free to share/edit. But "politician" isn't a profession. Not even Ted Kennedy can say it's his profession. Pyroponce 09:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Interesting take. I've never seen International Relations called a profession. Does this mean you would also use "English" as a profession? I know several people whose major in college was "English." I'd guess that more than a few people end up in a profession that is not the area they trained. Thinking that politician is not a profession is a quaint Americanism, where they still mistakenly believe in a "citizen legislature." There are many people in college whose main goal is politics. In the same way that some people in college have a main goal of professional sports. Most don't make it, and end up in ancillary professions -- lobbyist, pundit, etc. Richardson has made it (so far). I see no reason to pretend he has some other profession. Ted^Talk/_{Contributions} 13:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, y'know, I can't think of any long-established encyclopedia that lists a politician's profession as a politician. International relations...I know it's not the best wording. Perhaps "Diplomat" would be better...I'm going to do a little more research. Pyroponce 18:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

The US census bureau recognizes politician (2020 21-1099), as well as legislator (0030 11-1031). The list is over 500 pages, so I haven't looked at it extensively, but these look like about the right ones. Ted^Talk/_{Contributions} 22:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

How about public management? I've done some hunting around and that term seems to describe the art of administration in the public sector. I'm not totally sure it applies though, since most of his public career has been spent in political activities besides administration.

[edit] "Presidential Announcement"

Considering that Richardson is denying that he had said he was running for President, and won't actually announce until January, it would probably be best not to include the Fox News article until that can actually be verified as true. Jlove1982 00:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

As of January 21, he has formed an exploratory comittee. He won't get the nomination. Maybe he's going for a vice-presidency, or cabinet position in the future administration(SecState?).--Mike Theodore 19:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views. --WP:TALK, first bolded sentence. Please leave speculation elsewhere: Usenet, blogs, etc. See also: WP:NOT#SOAPBOX, WP:EQ --Diluvial 20:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The fox news article that is referenced does include at the bottom that he his announcement is not official. I have modified the this article and kept the same reference. If needed other more concise references can be used if anyone objects to my changes. Russeasby 01:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move diplomacy info?

Much of the info on his diplomatic efforts is in the "Governor of New Mexico" section. While chronological order can be nice, those particular events were not dependant on his position as governor. Should they be moved? If so, where? I suggest the "Career" section, but any move would affect the nearly-static chronology of the current layout. --Diluvial 03:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I suggest moving it to its own section. Invariable the cronology is not going to be maintianable in the future anyways as this article gets greatly expanded once the primaries get in full swing. His foreign diplomacy efforts certainly warrent their own section as they will be a big highlight of his campaign. I suggest placing the section between "Governer" and "Future politcal career". Russeasby 00:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Generation 2000 casinos

I'd like to clarify a recent deletion (and deter it from being re-added). William A. Richardson Jr. is the part-owner of Generation 2000 LLC, not Governor William Blane Richardson. The "Business interests" section was, therefore, deleted by 69.140.41.159 with the reason "Section referred to a different Bill Richardson". These sources confirm that claim:

• March opening possible View Neighborhood Newspapers, December 12, 2000
• Wendover casinos sell to Peppermill Las Vegas Sun, October 08, 2002
• New Nugget official eyes 38 acres Pahrump Valley Times, June 14, 2006
• Pahrump casinos have new owners Pahrump Valley Times, June 9, 2006

Bill Richardson, governor of New Mexico, is not the William A. Richardson Jr. affiliated with Generation 2000. Also, the "Richardson" portion of Generation 2000 is owned by both Mr. Bill A. Richardson Jr. and the Melissa Richardson trust. I have not found any "Melissa" associated with the governor "Richardson", either. --65.11.169.251 00:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confusing Biography: Re-write required?

This is a first for me, so let's see if this works... I find the bio for Gov. Richardson to be confusing. For example, the chronology of how his parents (and, apparently, his grandparents) met is unclear. His birth in Pasadena & subsequent move to Massachusetts, likewise, is unclear and/or poorly written. These are just two examples; I find similar issues of clarity in various other parts of this document.

I don't know that these kinds of issues are typically discussed here but, for the sake of clarity &, frankly, "aesthetics", I'd like to suggest a re-write...

For what it's worth... Sheepherder1 13:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I personally think the extensive details of his ancestors, particularly his grandparents, ought to be in articles about those separate individuals (if at all considered worthy of being encyclopedic content). This article is about his life, not theirs. According to the page's history, much of the ancestoral information is from German-Nicaraguan writer Eddy Kuhl[1][2]. Although, I do agree that the relevant parts need some polishing. In any case, WP:BB! ;) --Diluvial 02:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Richardson's comment on first four states deciding

I added Richardson's comment about the Democratic presidential race being decided very early (January 2008) after the first four state contests (Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, and South Carolina). I cited the Associated Press source link (here: [3]). I would enjoy seeing a follow up comment over the next few months to see which of those four states Richardson believes he will do well in; I suppose Nevada and Iowa--but that is me just guessing. What do some of you think? ProfessorPaul 01:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ummm...are ya sure?

The last time I checked, the governor of New Mexico was elected. Bill Clinton appointed him sec of energy, not governor. --208.104.139.128 19:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, sort of. The "Infobox_Governor" template is buggy and also was fed incompatible data. I had to hack how this article used the template so that "Appointed by" would move from the Governor heading to the 2nd profession's heading (in this case, UN Ambassador). --Diluvial 23:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Secretary of Energy Box

I'm not an expert on Wikipedia code, so I don't know whether infobox is what I'm describing, but it seems Richardson should have a section under his picture for his having been Secretary of Energy as well, since other Energy Secretaries have it. Could someone with the appropriate know-how fix this?DougOfDoom ^talk 18:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Either the info could be within the current box which would limit its scope of information, or a separate Energy Secretary box could be placed underneath the current box and include all the Energy info but probably look ugly. I haven't seen any other politicians with more than one introduction infobox. --Diluvial 21:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Well he already has one section for being Governor of New Mexico and one for being US Ambassador to the UN, why not a third for a qualifying position?DougOfDoom ^talk 05:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It's possible to do, but adding a third office entry would be very difficult with the current templates. Adding a separate "Energy Secretary" infobox would be easy, but it would look ugly. For example, it expects to have its own photo. Try it in a sandbox or preview. --Diluvial 18:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)