Talk:Billy the Jigsaw Puppet

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Contents 1 Seriously? 2 Production of Billy 3 spoiler? 4 name of puppet 5 Creation 6 L-Y or L-I-E 7 Appearance in other movies 8 billy photo

[edit] Seriously?

I don't know who changed the title to "Billie", but if they can't even spell his name right, they shouldn't be making an official wikipedia page about him or moving things around. James Wan, the director of Saw, is the CREATOR of Billy. You know, he sat down one day and constructed him for this movie and named him, and seeing as EVERY time he talks about him he spells it with a 'y', I would say that is dandy proof that "ie" is a load of crap. Please stop making the mistake and passing it on to others.

If you would even like to go over and ask James to get it straight from the horse's mouth, you can do it at the House of Jigsaw (official Saw) message board, or myspace at http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=9960495&MyToken=5adfb21a-d6b0-48de-9ff2-a7de4458dfd6 . He will tell you that "Billie" is the incorrect spelling.

And, actually, "Billie" is the spelling for a girl.

Iwantasmoothie 7:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Production of Billy

Anyone have any behind-the-scenes information about Billy? Who designed him for the movie or anything? ARBlackwood 23:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't know the specifics, but I recall when he was originally made he was pretty low-budget and was moved by strings and once the series became more high budget he was able to be more mobile and move by himself.--CyberGhostface 23:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

It should be in the actual article. But, he never had strings, and there have not been any modifications to the original Billy used in SAW 1. They made 2 robotic Billys used with romote control eyes for SAW 2, and another one for SAW 3. They figured that the real Billy was too fragile and couldn't handle the set any longer, seeing as James made him and he isn't professional at it. He was falling apart occasionally, so once they had more money, they made more high-tech new ones. I personally like the real one best.

[edit] spoiler?

description of his appearances in the movies needs a spoiler warning. 139.55.29.215 15:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah,.....no it doesn'tBobafettH23 20:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] name of puppet

Why is the puppet named "Billy"? There is no mention of it in the article. 24.98.182.200 18:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Its been referred to as such by the creators and people involved in making the film in DVD commentaries and interviews.--CyberGhostface 19:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

That should probably be mentioned somewhere. I can't be the only one that wonders why it is named what it is named. (24.98.182.200 18:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Creation

It shows Jigsaw creating Billy in the third film. Why does it say "He's rumored to have been created by the series's primary antagonist John Kramer". It's not a rumor if they show Jigsaw actually MAKING him. As for the supposed novel being made, are there any sources to supply the rumor? JackOfHearts 05:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I just removed it. We don't need uncited speculation that the user probably just made up for kicks.--CyberGhostface 04:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

--In my opinion, it isn't clear that he's making it. It was Saw 3. How do you know he wasn't just fixing him or /rebuilding/ him after Adam beat him with the baseball bat? Billy's origin is a secret, and it's nice that way as of now.

As for the novel, I added it because it actually was true. I don't mess around and post about things that aren't real, especially since I'm also a big SAW fan. The only reason I couldn't supply a citation is that none of it is open or ready for public display. It also doesn't help that it's an outside/homage project only being talked about by some of the SAW community that knows of the author, and not a big heavy-duty thing supported by Lion's Gate. I simply heard about it. If you'd like to give me more time, there could eventually be a link. Iwantasmoothie 11:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The puppet-making scene in Saw 3 was a flashback taking place BEFORE he kidnapped Amanda, and thus before Adam was ever kidnapped. And even it wasn't, saying that he was only fixing it after Adam gave Billy the beatdown is speculation and original research.

If there's a link, fine. But until then don't post it unless it can be verified.--CyberGhostface 11:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, is there any recent info on this "novel"? Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 06:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, uh, who erased what I wrote here? Iwantasmoothie 05:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, it was User:Envidia. They also deleted a bunch more when they added their post about a new image for Billy... Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 04:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh..well...as long as you got my message, I suppose I don't have to repeat myself. lol Iwantasmoothie 19:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] L-Y or L-I-E

There seems to be alot of controversy: Is the puppet's name spelled "B-I-L-L-Y" or "B-I-L-L-I-E"? If it's Billie, then the article name needs to be changed... JackOfHearts 01:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

--It is not spelled "Billie". That was an error made in some of the special feature SAW dvds. Nobody knows who wrote the title for it in the extra, but James Wan, who created and named Billy, always spells it with a 'y'. In fact, that was always how it was spelled until the mistake was seen and people started using it for some reason.Iwantasmoothie 11:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appearance in other movies

Does Billy dont appear in Scary Movie 4 or somehting like this?--217.68.166.42 01:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but parodies and trivia aren't really notable.--CyberGhostface 03:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] billy photo

dont you think that we need a better image of billy ? Envidia

Yeah, I thought so too. I've looked for ones, and I've come up with these: [1], [2], [3], [4]. Any thoughts? Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 02:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Out of all of those I'd say just the first one.--CyberGhostface 19:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Should I add it up then? Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 23:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that's a good picture choice, because that picture is of a protocol, not what Billy looks like right now. And I know there are tons of other pictures than just those. Iwantasmoothie 19:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Protocol? All I know is that this was the Billy used for Saw II or something, or at least a promotional pic. It was taken from the production photos for the film (see other production shots). Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 04:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't notice any major differences either...--CyberGhostface 21:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)