Talk:Bioidentical hormone replacement therapy

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Contents 1 See below 2 POV 3 Advertising in Page 4 References 5 FDA APPROVAL

[edit] See below

The "discussion" below is blatant advertising, which even includes the phone number of the promoter. I don't think that the article itself is advertising. --KeepItClean 23:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[Advertisement removed per Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines and Wikipedia is not a soapbox.]

It is not acceptable to use Wikipedia as a medium for blatant advertising. This is as true of talk pages as it is of articles. Talk pages, per the guidelines, are for discussion related to creating a better encyclopedia, not for self-promotion. See also Wikipedia:Conflict of interest.--Srleffler 06:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

There isn't anything on Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines that suggests that advertising is forbidden in the Talk pages. In fact, the word "Advertising" doesn't appear on Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines at all. What DOES appear on Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines is "Do not edit other's comments." Robertwharvey 01:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

You missed the part of Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, where it says "A talk page is research for the article, and the policies that apply to articles also apply to talk pages." The policy What Wikipedia is not makes it clear that advertising is not acceptable on Wikipedia. This policy takes precedence over the guideline that one should not edit others' talk page postings. --Srleffler 02:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV

While not completely biased, this article does not appear to comply with Wikipedia's policy on Neutral Point of View. The article does not seem to discuss the views of critics of this therapy, and does not put it in context. What is the mainstream medical view of this type of therapy vs. the conventional type?--Srleffler 06:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advertising in Page

Several of the links in the lower body of this article go directly to a site that is selling creams and other items for hormone replacement therapy. The site, hormoneprofiles.com, is essentially using this wiki page as a forward for thier products.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rompingreason (talk • contribs) 22:52, November 26, 2006.

[edit] References

I notice that a bunch of references were removed, including the books by Suzanne Somers. While I approve of attempts to clean up the article and reduce POV, I wonder if this went too far. Whatever the merits of her arguments, it seems that Ms. Somers is a notable spokesperson for bioidentical hormone replacement therapy and has written several books promoting it. This probably deserves some mention in the article. Additionally, removal of references should always be handled with some care. If it's possible that some of the material still in the article was drawn from or inspired by her books, they should remain as listed references for the article.--Srleffler 03:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

True, but the Somers books are more about personal experiences instead of scientific data - they're secondary references at best. I will add back in a reference to her most relevant/well-known book. --Marumari 21:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FDA APPROVAL

In the small caveat posted in this article regarding the FDA status of BHRT treatments, the author suggests that bioidentical hormones are not approved by the FDA and that there is no substantive clinical research suggesting their safety or efficacy. This is patently false. There are, in fact, numerous studies which suggest clinical efficacy of 17-Beta Estradiol in combination with noresthisterone acetate (as opposed to MPA as the active progesterone) - several of which actually demonstrate possible cardiovascular advantages well above that of traditional HRT.

It should also be noted in this article that 17-Beta Estradiol accounts for the vast majority of treatment models used in Europe for HRT in menopausal patients.

On the issue of FDA approval, there are quite a few BHRT products that carry FDA approval... Vivelle, Estrogel, Estrace, Prometrium, etc., all have FDA approval, and, I believe are listed in the Physicians Desk Reference (PDR). Bortsky 15:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Bortsky —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bortsky (talk • contribs) 15:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

I see that the "caveat" section has been discussed somewhat here. I hope that debate continues, but, however, also I wanted to let you all know I deleted the current text of the "caveat". The format is not appropriate for the article or an encyclopedia; the information NEEDS to be SYNTHESIZED into the rest of the article. Also, the text must be presented in an unbiased way. The "caveat" cannot act as a disclaimer, cautionary warning before the main text, etc. Please create a section titled "FDA Approval", "Controversy", or something else appropriate. Thanks! JeffreyN 20:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)