Talk:Blank (cartridge)
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Neutrality?
I think that the writer has tried to point out his opinion of how dangerous they are rather than handing out the sole facts
- The lethal potential of blanks isn't an opinion, it's a fact, as evidenced by those who have been killed by their misuse. The level of emphasis may seem high, but I think that's more due to the short length of the article rather than the length of the warning. The most visible use of blank cartrdiges is in movies and television, and people don't see the behind-the-scenes effort that goes into ensuring that the blanks are used safely. Perhaps expanding that section further with information on firearms handling in movies might make more informative and less alarmist sounding. scot 15:10, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
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No recoil at all? The hot exhaust gases alone would cause a recoil. It might possibly be less of a recoil. We need someone who has actually fired both types to come here and say. 71.199.123.24 04:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- You're right, there is a bit of recoil--from a military rifle and blank, it's probably on par with a .22 Long Rifle. I've changed the wording, and done some other cleanup as well. scot 15:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Newton's mechanical laws rather specifically state that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. While the propellant (technically the whole firearm) is pushing against the bullet, the bullet is also pushing against the firearm. Thus, if the blank has the same amount of propellant (most don't, admittedly), then the only other factor is the wadding; the wadding weighs less than an actual bullet, but only on the order of a couple of grams, so it would take a very skilled shooter to be able to tell the difference.
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- Nonetheless, I've never fired a blank before. Have you fired a blank rifle cartridge and a matching live rifle cartridge and noticed any difference? I would suggest having your magasine loaded by a friend, so you don't know which cartridge is which, in order to make it a truly scientific, empirically-verifiable blind experiment. Otherwise it's possible that the expectation of it being a blank cartridge would have made you think about it being weaker than it really is. =)
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- Note, of course, that any truly experienced shooter would also be able to extrapolate based on the visible entry wound whether it was his own rifle that caused the lethal injury. ;-)
- --Jtgibson 20:35, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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- I have fired blank rounds, and the difference between that and a live round, even from a mildly recoiling round like a .38 Special, is dramatic. As for the blind test, one thing I commonly do with revolvers is a modified ball-and-dummy drill, mixing a couple of empty chambers, a couple of .38 Specials, and couple of .357 Magnums (or .44 Special and .44 Magnum) in the same cylinder full. Spin it, and without looking, start shooting. The goal of this is to learn to control the anticipation of the shot, so you don't flinch, and to control the follow-through. The difference in recoil between a Special and a Magnum is very signficant--even a first time shooter can tell instantly when you slip a Magnum round into the gun after a couple of Specials. The difference between a live round and a blank is at least as great. scot 21:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Being a world war reenactor myself, I can tell you that some blanks have a very pronounced recoil (almost to the point of being able to fool me). Such an example are some of the 9mm blanks out there, which I fired through a P38. user:Pzg Ratzinger
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- Right, but semiautomatic actions are a different issue. I have a gas blowback airsoft pistol, and a CO2 blowback Walther PPK BB pistol, both of which have a significant "kick", on par with my Ruger MKII pistol. The felt recoil is far in excess of my .22 caliber CO2 pellet pistols, even though the .22 pellet is far heavier and moves faster than the BB or airsoft ball. The reason for the difference in perception is the mass of the slide; when it comes to a stop at the rear, it causes a significant impact and muzzle flip, which the you feel as recoil. In fact, I just remembered a better example--at one Shot Show I was at, a manufacturer had a firearms simlation system set up, a super-realistic "Hogan's Alley" type video game. The pistol used was a converted Beretta 92FS. It used a laser aiming module in the barrel of the gun, and the magazine, mainspring, and chamber were replaced with an air hose connection, valve, and piston. Upon firing, the hammer strut would open the air valve, the piston would kick back the slide and cock the hammer, and the hammer strut would close the valve back off. Even though no mass was moved forward at all, it still simulated recoil fairly well just through the reciprocation of the slide. I think this is what you were feeling with the P-38; I think if you fired the same blanks in, say, a 9mm SP-101 revolver, you'd feel recoil on the order of a .22 rimfire. scot 15:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Reorganisation
I went ahead and changed around the ordering of the sections. --Jtgibson 20:35, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] move to "blank cartridge"?
Blank is a descriptor, and sometimes used as a term for the round, but there's no need for the parenthesis when the two words form an unambiguous name. If there's no objections, I'll move the page. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 01:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
