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Contents 1 Origin of the name of Bolton 2 Schultzy 3 Barrow Bridge 4 Large 5 Links 6 Cleanup (please) 7 Notable Residents 8 Town Hall

[edit] Origin of the name of Bolton

The origins of the name section currently makes no sense. It says there are 3 theories, but only names one. To make matters worse, it labels it with 1) and there is no 2)! CSS-Prince 12:48, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the history of the page, it did used to have the following:

The town has had many derivations of its spelling including Bothelton and Boulton. The Flodden Field may be incorrect as the town was already known as Bolton in 1253 when it gained its market charter. Evidence of Saxon settlement exists in the form of religious objects found when the present Victorian parish church was built.

Other theories include the bowl-like shape of the town, quite simply bowltown, Bolton with the same origin of the ton section of the word Bolton as the explanation above.

If anyone can verify these and tidy them up, they may or may not be usable as theories 2 and 3. Otherwise the 3 theories bit should be removed IMO.--CSS-Prince 12:51, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The first quote about the reference to Flodden Field was added by myself - probably not in the best place. As Bolton has two market charters dating back to 1251 and 1253 specifically calling it Bolton then this can't be true.

The reference to 'bowltown' is speculative as the anglo-saxon word for bowl was something compeltely different. The word escapes me at the moment but I'll have to find it. Polonia 18:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I suspect that there are lots of ideas of the origin of the name Bolton.

The Dictionary of British Place-Names in Names & Places gives this version

Bolton, a common name in the North of England, from OE *bõthl-tũn ‘settlement with a special building’; examples include: Bolton Bolton. Boelton 1185....... (Sorry the OE characters do not display when pasted so used the nearest I could find) --jmb 00:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

This is the current section on Etymology

"The origins of the name (in full, 'Bolton-le-Moors'), which has had many derivations of its spelling including Bothelton and Boulton, are not totally clear from historical records.[citation needed]'"

It seems hard to see how a citation can be given for it not being clear. I quoted the Oxford DBPNNP above and I think someone had previous posted a different origin which shows that there are different ideas for the origin of the place name (as often happens with place names). The quote from the DBPNNP above can be used if required. --jmb 15:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I always heard the name originated from the towns bowl like shape. Tommyhaych 11:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Schultzy

In the famous people section I see the entry

Schultzy - Co-Founder of The Great Union.

This looks to me like vandalism. Can a more knowlegable editor confirm this individual's existence and notability or else delete the entry, please? BTLizard 09:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

It's been repeatedly added over the last two weeks and is a clear vanity edit. Please revert on sight, and if there's any breach of 3RR report it correspondingly. I have given them two third-level warnings on their talk page - if they continue to vandalise after the next warning, they will be blocked if reported to WP:AIV Aquilina 10:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barrow Bridge

I hate to be picky but there are two links on the Bolton page labelled Barrow Bridge that link to Barrow Bridge in Ireland and not the Barrow Bridge in Bolton.

[edit] Large

Someone has queried the description of Bolton as a "large town" by someone else. I have a memory of being told that Bolton was the largest County Borough and certainly a web search finds lots of descriptions of Bolton as a "large town", several call in the "largest town in" England or the UK. [1] [2] [3] So perhaps it is not unreasonable to call it a large town. --jmb 20:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree that "large", although a relative and subjective term, in truth probably is fair in this case. The phrase is also used in another article here However the "largest in England" claim is incorrect (that honour goes to Reading) - going on the basis of population rather than, say, geographical area, Bolton is the 14th largest town in the UK that does not have city status. DWaterson 23:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I always thought Bolton's population was over the 200,000 mark. The 2001 census [4] seems to show 261,037 although this could be the larger "Metropolitan" Bolton boundary statistics. Which counts towards the largest town status? With 261,037 that would make it the biggest? MeanStreets "...Chorizo..." 14:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links

I have noticed that links are being [5]removed by V1459 and others. There were two links to a local theatre and bolton music collective which I feel are relevant - not to mention a link to the Dog and Partrige ( Music venue in Bolton ).

[edit] Cleanup (please)

Bolton (the article) is in need of a thorough cleanup! I've restructured alot of the content per Wikipedia's style guide and the guidelines of the UK Geography WikiProject (guidelines found here).

I'll do my best to standardise some of the headings and text, and format certain statements, facts and figures. However, an experienced editor with local knowledge would be most beneficial here to help move the article forwards. Much of the text is uncited, and unverifiable, and some is written from a local, informal and biased perspective. Jhamez84 22:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Agree, though it's not as bad as many local articles. Thanks for reverting User:Drewshow's changes, there was too much unexplained deletion of sourced material and retention of unsourced, even though a few of the changes were helpful. DWaterson 10:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the trivia section. Moving the parts from there into new sections. Created a Bolton in Popular Culture - Monty Python info added here. Pheonix Nights could do with a mention here. I'll try and add that next week. MeanStreets "...Chorizo..." 18:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Residents

This entry appeared a few weeks back

# Michael Taylor - Experienced cartographer and co-founder / promoter of the British Tom Tom satellite navigation systems [citation needed]

The name links to someone in the USA on death row. TomTom is a Dutch company, not British, and there is no one with that name mentioned on the company website. It looks very like vandalism but wanted someone to confirm so the entry can be deleted. --jmb 13:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Yep, seems unverifiable. DWaterson 15:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

This one looks like another vanity entry --jmb 11:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Chris Rabbitt - Founder of the Cross of Bromleyshire, c.2007

Chris Rabbitt! haha... I deleted. MeanStreets "...Chorizo..." 18:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Town Hall

I think we coud do with making new pages for the Town Hall and Civic Centre. I have created red links for them already. I am willing to write both, but I haven't got access to the relevant Pevsner guide at the moment. I also have photographs of both buildings that I am willing to contribute. AFCR 16:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a copy of "Bolton - A Study in Town Planning and Civic Art". The pages are too big to scan but I have photographed them. You can grab them from my website if you want to use any. Just set the copyright to "The copyright holder gave me permission to use this work only in Wikipedia articles" if you want to use them. I have Pevsner if you want anything checked. --jmb 16:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant book - I used some illustrations scanned from it in an essay for the Lanc's & Cheshire Antiquarian Soc'. Thanks! AFCR 17:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)