Talk:Borough Park, Brooklyn

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1 Bobov 43rd Street
2 Boring Photo
3 Protests or Riots?
4 bobov dynasty schism
5 250,000?
6 Slightly biased?

[edit] Bobov 43rd Street

What is Bobov 43rd Street? I've never heard of it.

There certainly is no Bobov 43rd Street, but there definitely is a Bobov 45th street.--Screwball23 ^talk 23:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boring Photo

"A street covered with snow?" seriously, we can have some more interesting pictures than that. Something about the Satmar brothers' battle or a little more info on the ethnic history would be a real help. Maybe a picture of 13th Avenue shopping or a picture of a supermarket or a synagogue or something.--Screwball23 ^talk 19:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protests or Riots?

Seriously, bonfires and attacks on police officers? Burning a police vehicle? That is a riot, plain and simple. Mr. Schick himself said it got out of hand, and called it a riot himself. It also should be remembered that there were previous "protests" like this in the past.--Screwball23 ^talk 00:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The NY times called it a protest. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 00:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

See the news reports there is no riot there http://ondemand1.cv.net/news12/DK0405RT.asx http://real.ny1.com:8080/ramgen/real4/001657D8_060404_232714hi.rm --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 00:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

"The wild behavior of the crowd was condemned by all Jewish community leaders and in the local Jewish newspapers." -- Does anyone know whether the abusive behavior of the police officer was condemned by any civil service leaders or in the local law enforcement bulletins? Lone wanderer 21:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, the answer to that is a yes and no. The news reports had mixed responses to the riot. First, the New York Police Department did investigate the actions of the involved officers (See: Lowe, Herbert, Parascandola, Rocco. "Anger over melee: Police brass assure Borough Park leaders they will probe actions taken during face-off with irate Hasidim." Newsday. 04/06/06.) In that article, you will notice that the officers were accused of pushing the 90-year-old man against a vehicle and using hateful speech. The officers spent several hours with two local Jewish politicians (Felder and Simcha) to explain what happened. The next day, 4/7/06, Police Chief Esposito, who was in charge of his squad that day and had explained himself to both the politicians and the NYPD admitted to using profanity to the crowd, but did not admit saying the word "jews" in a derogatory way. Both Simcha and Felder were happy with what they got from him and accepted his apology, leading us to believe that he did not use antisemitic language, but only loud profanity.

In that regard, he did apologize to the community. However, the NYPD did have a little more to say about this riot. In their opinion, there was a "double standard" imposed on them by the community. The rioters blocked traffic, caused bonfires, and damaged a police vehicle, and only 3 arrests were made. This was not what would have been expected, especially from the NYPD that imprisoned hundreds of peaceful protestors during the 2004 Republican National Convention. In fact, the NYPD did not have to report and explain themselves to protest organizers after the incident; rather, they carried out many of the arrests without any repurcussions, for example, Chief Paragallo, who ordered a bystander to be arrested without reason. Nonetheless, it seemed that the police force was intimidated by the rioters and did not exercise the same strict measures that it normally would have. This would indicate that some people felt that the rioters were let off the hook easily.

Nice question, though. You can decide for yourself.--Screwball23 ^talk 02:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bobov dynasty schism

I called it the bobov dynasty schism because the article mostly about the schism, which happened in boro park, not the dynasty as a whole. the main article link is helpful, but the subsection was about the schism.--Screwball23 ^talk 14:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 250,000?

The article says there are 250,000 Jews in the neighborhood - is it supposed to be 25,000? 250,000 seems high for even a total population of any neighborhood. --Awiseman 08:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it's accurate. Boro Park is about 225-250 blocks in Brooklyn, and in Brooklyn, most houses are at least 2 family homes, plus apartments and so on. Brooklyn is about 2.5 million in population, and that would mean roughly 10% of Brooklyn is Jewish (it isn't clear whether the 250,000 are only in Boro park), which is not unreasonable considering the population density and growth rate.--Screwball23 ^talk 18:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)