Talk:Buffyverse chronology (canon only)

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[edit] Merging or comparing with other article

There are now two Buffy chronology articles on Wikipedia:

• Buffyverse chronology (this article)
• Buffyverse Chronology Canon

I think the following work needs to be done.

1. The second article needs to be renamed. The C should not be capitalized, but more importantly, "Buffyverse Chronology canon" isn't the right name. It should be something like "Buffyverse Chronology (canon only)."

2. The "Buffyverse chronology" article has had a lot of great updates, links added, etc. But the "canon" version has not. I think it needs to be updated in the same way. Ideally, the Buffyverse Chronology canon article would just be identical to the main article with certain lines missing.

OR.... a better idea might be this. Delete the "Buffyverse Chronology canon" article entirely. Then, within the main chronology article, somehow indicate which items are considered canon. This would actually be more valuable, because then the canon-only timeline would be seen in context of the whole timeline.

Paxomen -- and anyone else who uses this article a lot -- what are your thoughts? I'd be glad to do this work but I don't want to do it without your approval! Lawrence King 04:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Old article Buffyverse chronology

Heya, I did recently distinguished the canon and non-canon throughout the whole page. the canon stuff appears in bold, the non-canon in italics, and episode flashbacks in bold italics.

Your absolutely right about the need for an update: Buffyverse chronology (canon only), though I'd hope it remains only as a daughter article, because if it becomes more used then work writing articles for the novels/comics becomes more pointless :)

-- Paxomen 18:19, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks for all the work updating these articles. I just spent an hour proofreading both articles and have a few suggestions. See Talk:Buffyverse chronology (canon only). Lawrence King 06:32, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible errors and suggested changes

Paxomen -- Reading both chronologies and comparing them, I came across the following possible problems. Some of these are probably typos; others might be differences of opinion regarding what is canon. So I wanted to run them past you.

Tales of the Slayers graphic novel: There are two stories in this collection that aren't on either of your chronologies:

• "Righteous"
• "The Glittering World".

Also, the very last story in the chronology you have listed as "Epilogue", but the actual name is simply "Tales".

Tales of the Vampires graphic novel: You are missing the very first story in this volume, which doesn't have a title at the beginning but is entitled "Tales of the Vampires" in the credits at the end of the book. However, you have a story listed called "Watcher's Training" in your chronology which isn't in this book. I'm guessing these are the same thing? If so, is "Watcher's Training" your own title or was it once published under that name?

The Origin graphic novel: Since this is the revised version of the Buffy movie, designed to make it consistent with the series, I think it is certainly canon. So it should be made bold and added to the canon-only list.

Other graphic novels: According to the Buffyverse canonical issues article, most of these are considered non-canon, with a few exceptions listed here. Your timeline treats the following graphic novels as canon:

• "Ring of Fire"
• "Spike and Dru: Paint the Town Red" (but not the other stories in "Spike and Dru")
• "Haunted" (and also the "Haunted" flashback)
• "Willow & Tara: Wannablessedbe" and "Willow & Tara: Wilderness."

I suspect that this is deliberate, since this list of graphic novels is similar to the list on the B.c.i. page. On the other hand, you have these listed in italics, not bold, so I wasn't sure if it was deliberated.

On the flip side, the Angel graphic novel "Long Night's Journey" only appears in the longer chronology, but it's in bold.

Comics: I think there must be tons of Buffy comics that are not in your list, right? You have included "Giles", "Jonathan", and "Reunion" in the long and short chronologies. These are considered canon here. But you have them italicized as if they were non-canon. Certainly "Reunion" is canonical because it's actually referred to in B6.05 and A3.05.

Novels: According to the Buffyverse canonical issues article, the novels are generally not canon. Your edits support this, except in for the following novels or stories which are listed in the canon-only chronology:

• Tales of the Slayer I: "Die Blutgrafin"
• Tales of the Slayer I: "Mornglom Dreaming"
• Tales of the Slayer II: The War Between the States"

I suspect these are typos, because they are all in italics.

Inconsistent ordering:

• In the long chronology, "War Between the States" is listed after "Father", but in the canon chronology the order is reversed.
• The comic "Broken Bottle of Djinn" appears twice -- once in 1937 and once in 1997. Also, this is listed as "Tales of the Slayers comic", but the link goes to the Tales of the Slayer book.
• In the long chronology, "Willow & Tara: Wannablessedbe" is listed after "B5.03 The Replacement", but in the canon chronology the order is reversed.
• There are two different "Autumnal"s listed -- a Buffy GN and an Angel GN. This might be deliberate, but I wasn't sure.

The work you have done on these articles is awesome. I hope my nitpicking doesn't sound negative! Thanks! Lawrence King 06:31, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

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Cheers for your help, yeah most of these corrections were needed,

I did make up the name 'Watcher's Training', to distinguish it from the rest of the series, but I suppose the official name of the strory needs to be used, so I changed it

Tales of the Slayer II: The War Between the States" is by a mutant enemy person, so i bolded it and left it on the canon list, as is 'again sunnydale'

I discovered Giles comic was actually by Christopher Golden not Jane Espenson, so removed it leaving only comics closely associated with mutant enemy.

There are two graphic novels 'autumnal', one buffy, one angel, i think they were both released around the same time

The haunted flashback entry is now red bold italic (it is canon flashback therefore according to the key should be blue italic bold), but will change blue, when i get around to completing the buffy comic articles some time in next few months, though quicker if anyone helps in the writing of synopes (see below)

Tales of the slayer : borken bottle of djinn, is part of the 'tales of the slayers' series but not contained within the TPB, I have added it more clearly to the Tales of the Slayers page, and it is entered twice in the chronologies because some of it takes place in the past, some in buffy season .

Think I made the corrections suggested but if i missed any edit away :)

Thanks -- Paxomen 14:07, 19 January 2006 (UTC)