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Djegan 20:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Djegan. I hope my contributions help wikipedia develop.--Cailil 20:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

1 Save Indian Family
2 Your note on my page
3 So, is it nice in Ireland?
4 Response
5 An Automated Message from HagermanBot
6 Gender Studies
7 Thanks
8 Hail from Gergia
9 Break
10 Race and intelligence
11 As expected

[edit] Save Indian Family

This page, and the men's-rights advocates who are creating it, have me exhausted. Despite their insistence that any fool can determine the group's notability with a quick google search, though, I haven't managed to find anything that would indicate that they are notable to anyone but one another- and I've looked. Yes, I'd support an AfD at this point for the page, unless the folks who are so busy on this page can produce hard evidence for notability, which I haven't yet found. Thanks for the backup. -FisherQueen (Talk) 02:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your note on my page

Please give Newageindian a second (or third) chance. I think he doesn't understand at all about Wikipedia processes. I'm not defending what he has said, but rather that I'm hoping that he will realize that he can make his arguments without violating a number of rules of civility, etc.

What that means is that perhaps a bit more patience, per WP:BITE, would be in order. Specifically, it might be worth taking some time, on the talk page, to cite from WP:N guidelines, and to point out Wikipedia:Notability (organizations) guidelines (proposed, it's true). If there is a discussion about these, perhaps the editor will better understand why the issue of notability is being raised, and what has to be done to meet Wikipedia criteria.

I know this takes more effort and can delay the resolution of matters, but it might also lead to a much more productive discussion. Or not - you never know until you try. Thanks. John Broughton | Talk 22:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks John, I have no problem giving Newageindian another chance. I have disengaged from the article's talk page for the moment. When I return to it I may seek mediation if behaviour is not modified. Thank you for your time and effort :)--Cailil 23:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] So, is it nice in Ireland?

Newageindian wants me to be Irish so badly, I'm thinking of moving. Do you have a guest room I can live in? I'm perfectly willing to learn to say 'begorrah,' if you think it would help. :) -FisherQueen (Talk) 02:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Top a the mornin' to ya FisherQueen. If ya were comin to the emerald Isle you'd have to dye your hair red, bring your own pot a gold and buy a green suit to get past immigration ; )--Cailil 18:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response

Cailil,

Sorry for not responding until the fire is (mostly) out, but IMHO:

you were right that the personal attacks were out of line on Save Indian Family;
congratulations to John Broughton for some cool outside advice;
big congratulations to you and FisherQueen for trying to reengage with Newageindian.

I appreciate how frustrating it is to be in the middle of one of these dust-ups, but I am a big believer that responding constructively (even to people who don't deserve it) actually has a good chance of helping the other side to cool down, leading to some positive encyclopedia-building, and, in the very worst case, at least positions you well for dispute resolution. I've got your talk page and Save Indian Family on my watchlists and will try to chime in if I notice things heating up. Thanks, TheronJ 15:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks TheronJ, I hope there'll be no more personal invective thrown around at anyone on that page. You're right, it is hard to keep cool about such things but Wikipedia is a community and it's the community spirit that keeps it from becoming a battle ground. Thanks again for your response :)--Cailil 18:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Gender Studies

Thanks Cailil for getting that important discussion started. --lquilter 16:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem lquilter, which ever way the debate goes I hope the project(s) come out the better. Some of the sniping at WP:GS has left it idle. When I found WP:LGBT I was impressed by its vigour and I hope WP:GS could be a bit more like that in the future : )--Cailil 16:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for responding to my question. I found a page where one may post concerns about pages, but at this point I feel the real problem is that there are not enough users who are aware of these issues. Your response was helpful. --futurebird 02:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem, it's an interesting debate. I did a ISTOR search and I'm just in the middle of refernecing a series of objections to Snyderman and Rothman's book. I seriously believ the page fails the WP:V test.--Cailil 02:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hail from Gergia

Hello!
How are you?
My name is Giorgi and I'm from Georgia, from Tbilisi
Can you tell me how can I find main administratior, or any administrator?--Gnome(G) 20:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm newbie on English wikipedia, on Georgian wikipedia all rules are deferent...please, if u have time help me, I need deleting and replacing administrators, for deleting, or replacing misinformation about Georgia. this misinformation is insult for Georgian nation( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazia )--Gnome(G) 20:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

If you are concerned that other editors are pushing their own opinions rather than verifiable facts follow the dispute resolution process. 1) Suggest nicely (even if they do not deserve it) an alternative. 2) If the dispute persists request comment using the process at WP:RFC. 3) If the other users can't resolve the dispute seek an advocate at WP:AMA and request mediation. Disputes are not fun and require patience and a cool head, even if your opponents have insulted your country (which happened to me last week too). If you feel that an article is strongly disputable tag it with an appropiate template from here (but be careful - using templates that are too strong could be seen as vandalism). I will have a look at the Abkhazia article and make a comment on the talk page. As a first step I recommend you post your concerns about the article at the Georgia Portal's talk page here : )--Cailil 20:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...I'll post tomorrow...bye--Gnome(G) 21:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Break

Don't make your break too long. You have engaged controversial subjects and editors very quickly (and very appropriately) in your Wikipedia career, but I know that it can be stressful too! But you are doing a great job keeping your cool, seeking advice and making Wikipedia sense. I will be glad to see you back in action when you are ready --Slp1 02:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Race and intelligence

When you get back, I'd love to know your thoughts on this new outline I've proposed for this highly problematic page. Any ideas or feedback? Thanks!

0 Intro

1 History

1.1 Race

1.2 Intelligence testing

1.3 Origin of the idea of intelligence as a function of race

2 Contemporary questions

2.1 Race

2.1.1 Genetic hypothesis

2.1.2 Validity of "race"

2.2 Intelligence testing

2.2.1 The psychometric approach

2.2.2 Multiple forms of intelligence

2.2.3 Cultural variation

2.2.4 Developmental progressions

2.3 Average gaps among races

2.4 Explanations

2.4.1 Environmental factors

2.4.1.1 Test bias

2.4.1.2 Characteristics of tests

2.4.1.3 Socioeconomic factors

2.4.1.4 Culture factors

2.4.1.5 Public debate and policy implications

2.4.2 Genetic factors/Groups and intelligence

2.4.3 Intelligence as a function of race, contemporary views

2.4.3.1 Significance of group IQ differences

2.4.3.2 Public debate and policy implications

PS. don't stay away for too long. We need people like you. futurebird 20:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] As expected

Given the post I wasn't surprised to see this. [1]Slp1 22:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

He's a man of his word Slp1. I'm sure that we will find it on 12 major men's rights websites soon. BTW don't get drawn into a fight with these people - wikipedia is not a battleground, stay calm always assume good faith, even when it seems like they don't deserve it. Thanks for the heads up.--Cailil 23:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. It looks like appropriate steps have been taken, and I have learnt yet more policy stuff as a result. I have no intention of getting too involved with this one, partly because I know almost nothing about the subject! Save Indian Family has been quite enough, sourcing wise, in this area. In any case, I have been toughened by my recent experience of an epic WP conflict (or at least it seemed epic to me) on another page and know that it is true that, as I was told at the time, "this too will pass". And it will. --Slp1 02:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

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