Talk:Camino
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[edit] Block Web advertising vs. Adblock
Can someone explain how Camino's "Block Web Advertising" feature works? Is it like adblock? I notice that some banner ads that normally show up on banner heavy webpages don't show up anymore, but the algorithm to block the ads seems arbitrary. Is it like mozilla's adblock, only without a customizable set of regular expressions? --DropDeadGorgias (talk) June 29, 2005 04:31 (UTC)
- Basically, yeah. Adblock with less UI. Still customisable, though -- see the various CSS files ~/Library/Application Support/Camino/chrome/ . The new feature is really just a bit of front-end UI and a default blocklist for a feature that's been present for a long time.—chris.lawson (talk) 29 June 2005 04:49 (UTC)
[edit] Why Camino?
Someone should explain and maybe go into a little depth about how this software differs from Firefox for Mac and why some might see those differences as adventagous. When I stumbled on this page, the first thought that popped into my head was "Firefox works great on Macs, why does Mozilla need to put out something different like this?..."
Camino is a true Mac program, based around Apple's native Cocoa APIs. Firefox is a cross-platform app based around XUL. As a result, Camino feels more like a "native" application than a Windows/Linux port. It integrates better with the system, such as using the Keychain vs. Mozilla's own password storage system, and it, well, looks prettier. There's good info on the MozillaZine forum thread Camino FAQ. perardi 01:59, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
- We need to incorporate this info into the article. --Lethargy 01:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Version histories
I've trimmed the version history sections drastically. I don't think we need to copy the release notes here (which is what it was turning into). If someone feels otherwise, the old sections can be restored from the archived page history.--chris.lawson 02:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Camino Naming Origin
Where did the name Camino come from? —This unsigned comment was added by Gordeonbleu (talk • contribs) .
- I don't know why they chose it, but it's Spanish for "road" or "way". See wiktionary:camino. – Andyluciano 03:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
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- See the official Camino FAQ on the subject; the name was proposed by Simon Fraser (see here, at the end of the Netscape section) during the Chimera must be renamed situation. —69.255.141.9 14:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fastest browser?
Camino is the slowest browser I've ever used. I use it as my only browser and advocate it but it is without a doubt the slowest browser I've used on my PowerBook. I strongely believe that "Camino has been lauded by many critics as the fastest internet browser ever.[citation needed]" should most definitely be removed. I activily advocate Camino, but I don't pretend it's something that it's not.--Tilmitt 13:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Leading off with
- Jon Hicks: "First of all it’s fast – easily the fastest browser I have on my Macs. It feels responsive and nimble."
- Rob Griffiths of MacWorld/macosxhints.com: "This is great news, as Camino has long been one of the fastest, best looking browsers available for OS X."
- MacOrchard: "What's the point? Speed - blazing speed. Camino is generally as fast as any Windows browser at loading individual pages - and that's a real treat."
- An older ArsTechnica review where the 'mythical perfect browser' would have "Camino's speed"
- You also get all sorts of "random people": [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] ("Camino is fast, quick, and secure. [...] Mac users will enjoy Camino’s quick speeds and impressive startup times, two things that Firefox just can’t compare with.")
- Of course it's all subjective, and "fastest internet browser ever" is probably over the top, and some of the speed praise dates from the pre-Safari days when Chimera was the shining light of the Mac browser world, but the collection of recent articles/reviews shows that recent versions of Camino (0.9a and 1.0) still have the speed "buzz". Keeping the sentence but replacing "fastest internet browser ever" with "fastest web browser on the Mac" does seem reasonable, however.
[edit] Questions
Is Camino actually based on the Mozilla Application Suite, or does it just use the Gecko layout engine?
Is it really an Internet Gopher client (whatever that is), and if so, do we need to mention it in the opening paragraph? Are other Mozilla applications gopher clients as well?
Lastly, Mike Pinkerton is the technical lead, but if I wanted to state who develops the browser, what should I put? Is it community-driven or is it managed by the Mozilla Foundation?
--Lethargy 01:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- In order:
- Camino is an embedded Gecko application. For more information about embedding Gecko read this.
- See Gopher protocol for more on that, but no, we probably don't need it in the lead. AFAICR, all the other MoFo/Co browsers support the gopher: protocol too, as did Netscape (and, IIRC, IE, at least older versions).
- Community-driven, mostly; we get very little official help from MoFo. (At least that's my understanding. I just code and help out with QA and triage; I'm not really involved in MoFo interaction at all.) And by "community" I mean "the 15 or so people who are actually actively working on it."--chris.lawson 04:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Camino uses the older XPFE embedding toolkit to emebed Gecko rather than the newer XULRunner embedding toolkit, which may be the source of the confusion over "based on the based on the Mozilla Application Suite".
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- The Camino® web browser is developed and released by the Camino Project, a community organization. The Mozilla Foundation (being an actual legal entity) owns the trademark and licenses it to the Camino Project for use with the browser. See the official Camino 1.0 Press Release (original here is no longer accessible, but the content was pasted verbatim into this random forum post) and Mozilla Foundation Executive Director Frank Hecker's blog post here, as well as the Mozilla Trademark Policy.
[edit] Future
I have created a section for talking about future features of Camino. Matt J User|Talk 13:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References
I have converted inline links to references. I hope this is OK. As I included several references in the content I added, I thought it was best to do it this way. Matt J User|Talk 13:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Searching Wikipedia from Camino
To search Wikipedia from the Camino toolbar search, find SearchURLList.plist (normally ~/Library/Application Support/Camino/SearchURLList.plist) and add:
<key>Wikipedia</key>
<string>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=%s&go=Go</string>
in the "dict" list. To make it the default search, remove:
<key>PreferredSearchEngine</key>
<string>Google</string>
And replace it with:
<key>PreferredSearchEngine</key>
<string>Wikipedia</string>
[edit] Text rendering
This is in response to Clawson's removal of the link to the text rendering comparison. If you read the citation, it is quite obvious that Camino and Safari have superior text rendering to Opera and Firefox. I am not an expert on the subject, so I don't know why this is, but I think that while Camino and Firefox share Gecko to render webpages, the way the text is handled once Gecko has rendered it is different. I'd be grateful for a reply, if that is not received soon, I'll add the text back in. Matt J User|Talk 10:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- From the reference (which I would question as a reliable source, too, since we don't normally accept blogs as reliable sources):
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- Note that the current release of Camino renders the same as Firefox.
