Talk:Carcassonne (board game)

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Contents 1 Scoring and Different Editions 2 Scoring 3 Carcassonne : The City 4 "Meepo" 5 Setup Time 6 Formatting changes 7 Miniature people 8 Unofficial Figure Taxonomy 9 Best geek board games? 10 Combinatorial Analysis 11 X-Box Live Arcade

[edit] Scoring and Different Editions

I have tried my best to state things as I understand them and in a clear manner. Basically, Hans im Glück has released three editions of the game, each with slightly different scoring rules, primarily in the area of farmers. Rio Grande Games has chosen not to implement the latter editions. There's a statement by Jay Tummelson on the link I gave to a page explaining the three editions of scoring stating that they prefer the first edition scoring and asked Hans im Glück for permission, which was granted.

When I first learned of the changes proposed by Hans im Glück, I tested them and found I (and my test groups) preferred the original. Therefore, I asked Hans im Glück if I could keep mine and was told they were happy with both, but were changing theirs as they felt the new rules were easier to understand.

Since most of my customers are unaware of German rule changes, I felt it was best to keep the original as having two versions only adds confusion (as seem by those of you who ARE aware of the German rules).

My policy is to not make changes (I WILL make corrections when mistakes were made in the original rules) when I simply reprint games.

Jay

Rio Grande Games

I was introduced to the third edition rules (albeit with four points per completed city and without the four point two-tile city) when I started and didn't realize the difference until the board gaming group at work I play with sat down and actually read the rules rather than take my word for it. Therefore, I feel it is important to mention the different editions of rules even though they don't appear in the English language version. -Fuzzy 15:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: versions - agreed. I did some tidying up of the layout of that section, and added a clarification as to which version is which. I imagine the "changes" would indeed be confusing to anyone with the RG English-language version only. Matt Lodder 21:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Scoring

Made some changes to the Gameplay section regarding scoring:

• Changed scoring table to better reflect removal of 2 city exception in the 3rd edition.
• Changed scoring table to reflect consistency of cloister scoring.
• Changed scoring table titles to reflect rules (the headings Turn and Final more accurately reflect the distinctions between types of scoring)
• Added Fields to the scoring table.
• Cleaned up description of basic scoring procedures.

AmbientArchitecture 03:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carcassonne : The City

Article currently states:

A further significant change is that a meeple may no longer be placed on the final tile that completes a structure, requiring that players plan ahead.

Is that really the case? I have Carcasonne and C:TC here and can't see this mentioned... Matt Lodder 21:18, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Meepo"

Have removed "(or meepo in Australia)" for the second time, because Google returns no results for meepo+carcassonne, and I've never heard this while playing in Australia. If it's a colloquialism, it seems a very minor one. --McGeddon 23:36, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

it is a colloquialism and is important to those of us who play in Australia. I am not sure how it started but it is common. I could create a a webpage for Australia, but it seems simpler to have it in Wikipedia. Even for just those Aussies who love and play the game you could leave it in...I really don't think that this will affect others who read this entry.

I've removed it again, more because it makes the parenthesised section too long than for reasons of non-notability. I think it would be an appropriate note in an article on Meeples, or (perhaps) Australian slang... but probably not in the main Carc article Percy Snoodle 12:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I have checked with my club members and we are happy with the note above - but alas there is no article on meeples to link it to...

How about on Australian English#Diminutives in the -o section - you could add something like:

This construction is even applied to [[neologism]]s, as in ''meepo'' ([[Meeple]])

Percy Snoodle 10:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Setup Time

Under the games template, it states that it takes 10 minutes setup time. What does setup involve? I was under the impression (from the dozens of times that I've played it) that it's simply shuffling the tiles, each player selecting their follower colours and piece, and then putting out the starting tile. I don't see how this would take anywhere near 10 minutes.Maeve 17:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC) (edited to sign my comment, sorry!)

Fixed. Val42 04:34, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I think <1 minute is optimistic. I'd say 1-5 minutes, depending on familiarity and on how long it takes to put all the tiles face down (the basic set doesn't come with a bag). Percy Snoodle 12:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I have all the expansions for the game, and if you play with all of the expansions the game can easily take 5 minutes to setup and two and a half hours to play. This should be noted somewhere, since it makes a big deal about easy setup and fast playing times (without any expansions). bob rulz 06:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting changes

Please don't bullet the expansions and spinoffs - doing so prevents them from flowing around the images. Percy Snoodle 08:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Miniature people

The article states that meeple is a portmanteau of 'miniature people', but the link given in the footnote states that meeple is truly a portmanteau of 'my people'. Why does the article directly contradict its reference? -- 134.173.200.104 22:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Good point. fixed.

[edit] Unofficial Figure Taxonomy

I have removed my figure (at right) presenting an unofficial taxonomy of Carcassonne game figures bacause it appears (based on the latest official rules from HiG) that it is no longer accurate. AmbientArchitecture 00:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Best geek board games?

This doesn't appear to be a authoritative source, i.e. it's just someone's blog post about the games he likes and considers geek-friendly. I think this link should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.45.42.178 (talk • contribs).

Agreed. Done. Percy Snoodle 09:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Combinatorial Analysis

In the basic game without rivers, there would be 81 possible tiles (each edge can be a city, road or farm; hence 3^4= 81). In the box there are 72 tiles. 25 of these are duplicates (all pure road and city pieces), so there are 47 distinct tiles. This means there are 81-47 = 34 tiles which are possible but are not in the game. I have a list of exactly what they are if anyone is interested. (Most of them are tiles with 1 road with 1 or 2 cities).

[edit] X-Box Live Arcade

A console version of Carcassonne for the X-Box Live Arcade was announced at the same time as the adaption of Settlers of Catan for marketplace at Leipzig, along with an adaption of Alhambra. Unfortunately, while Catan has been officially announced as coming soon and is building buzz, nothing has been seen of the other two. Is is worthy of mention in this article? 204.69.40.13 13:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)