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Contents 1 Super Bowl XXXVI Prediction 2 Pictures 3 "Big Boobs-" 4 scientology 5 Wikipedia wrong on Superbowl Trivia, Says Snopes

[edit] Super Bowl XXXVI Prediction

I removed the text because it is not true. She made the prediction after the participants were known. The prediction is located at http://archive.sportingnews.com/nfl/articles/20020131/379058.html.

You are wrong . Look on date in linku on mountain, 31 January 2002 is, and final took place 3 February 2002. So she made the prediction before participants. This is additional link http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8786289

I do not see how I am wrong. The prediction was not made before the season started. It was made before the game as is traditionaaly done. You provide no proof that she made the prediction before September 9, 2001. The link to the TMQ article only confirms she guessed the exact score.

Read exactly. It writes clearly that "She's the only person to have ever correctly predicted the participants in, winner, and final score of a Super Bowl before a season began." Conversation with Catherine Bell also about this on http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/features/conversation/10/26/cbell/index.html.

I have read the quoted article and she says that her husband randomly picked the teams and the score. So it wasn't her and it was guessed' not predicted.Barfbagel 09:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it's interesting that Mrs. Bell appears to believe this urban legend about her, that might be notable. Alas, the link to the Sporting News article clearly indicates that she made the prediction after the two Super Bowl teams had already been decided (the article is dated three days before the game), and was simply asked who would win, "Rams or Pats?" The fact that an article on NFL.com reports this urban legend as fact just demonstrates how popular the legend is (although that article used IMDb as its source, and to be fair, some people may have used Wikipedia as a source before it was fixed). -Eisnel 19:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Snopes just posted an article about this which confirms that the rumored prediction is not as miraculous as many people once thought. MrHen. 18:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The article now looks ridiculous. Why do people keep on restating the allegation when the general body of evidence is that she didn't do what is actually claimed? Barfbagger 20:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Article has been published result to predict before beginning of Super Bowl with list of famous person which predicted final score. She it could predict before season, and it has been added for this article. So, you do not have certitude 100% if it has predicted after ends of conferences finals or before season.

• But you have certitude 100% if has predicted it after ends of conferences finals? Because I see so predict result and it has sent for The Sporting News editor before season, but article become published before Super Bowl XXXVI. There is in article http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/features/conversation/10/26/cbell/index.html clearly Catherine Bell's husband randomly picked those teams and that score. She emailed them back to my publicist and forgot about it.

http://www.teamkellyracing.com/castcrew/bell.php
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8786289

• Please sign your posts on the talk page by inserting four tildes at the end of your post. You have two sources above, one an interview on nascar.com and one on NFL.com. The one on NFL.com (that you used as a source on the article page) does not actually say at what point in the season Catherine Bell made her prediction. The NFL.com source links to IMDB.com. Anyone can change IMDB.com, and someone has changed it to reflect the Snopes article [[1]]; the IMDB page for Catherine Bell now says that she predicted the winning score after the teams playing was deciding. In the interview on nascar.com, the interviewer asks a leading question, Catherine Bell says it wasn't important to her and she had forgotten about it. The interviewer, not Catherine Bell, says that Catherine Bell predicted the outcome before the season. If you read the original The Sporting News article [[2]], Catherine Bell and the 69 other celebrities all predict either the Rams or the Patriots. The text at the top says that "rams or patriots" was the question. Therefore, the research for this article HAD to have happened after the teams playing had been determined. Have I convinced you? All that I am saying is also clearly laid out above by other posters. Enuja 16:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so I kept the teamkellyracing.com reference you added. Is this a good compromise for you? Feel free to neaten up my grammar; it's a bit run-on. Careful with the editing, though; you shoved the trivia after the super bowl trivia to the references section. Enuja 16:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

I don't want to criticise the pictures here, but may I ask if they are actually legally useable? Who holds the copyright, especially of the one from the TV show? Lao Wai 08:47, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Umm, it now looks as if we have two copyrighted photos. May I ask who has put them up and what legal right Wikipedia has to display them? Anyone? Lao Wai 20:11, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Several months later, they have now been removed. There was never a reason for them, as there are public domain ones available, which are there now. --Rob 10:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The more important issue: the second pic as of August 2006 looks like shit. Can't we get a DVD or HDTV screencap?Alvis 05:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Big Boobs-"

I am removing the following from the end of the article: "She has nice big firm boobs that every man would like to press his penis between." While i found it funny when I saw it because of the context, it obviously doesn't belong there... Besides, it's not NPOV :)

Funny I thought I removed it. Of course if every man did think that it would be NPOV. Lao Wai 18:57, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

No, no it wouldn't be. And even if it were true, it would still be very offensive to many, many people.

I don't think that it would be NPOV, nearly as much as a bit offensive to be seen in an online publication like this one. Also, It is not NPOV. Michael 18:00, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I know I'd certainly like to put my cock between those boobs...Julyo 07:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

The comment that says she's all natural is probably wrong... ever seen that show HOTLINE? Her boobs are way smaller there

Yeah, she is not all natural, I saw it on Howard Stern.

Have any of you considered that she has had a baby? Your boobs grov automatically then! So her boobs are real!

[edit] scientology

I don't object to removal of a full section on scientology. But using the edit comment "This Version is so much better" is some tricky. It implies you didn't want people to notice what's changed. I didn't revert, because I don't think scientology (beyond the current small mention) is relevant, and the old wording is bias, and even hostile. But, when doing such as edit, please say that. --Rob 03:40, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Similar sections exist for virtually every other celebrity Scientologist. When any celebrity is an active member of such an extremely controversial organization, I think it certainly merits the information being in their listing. To exclude it would be to present their biography in a very skewed, whitewashed, and NNPOV way. wikipediatrix 23:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

If an actor's had a heavily covered involvement with the Church, say Tom Cruise, that's true. But simple involvement, doesn't count. Scientology shouldn't get treated any different than Roman Catholicism by Wikipedia, in this regard. I'm detecting POV pushing, on both sides here. I notice you seem to be editing a *lot* of scientology-related articles, and have expressed negative view of the organization, on talk pages. I suggest, if it's removed again, that you not personally re-add it. If it's truly relevant, somebody who is not actively involved in the Scientology-editing (on either side) will re-add it. This a biography of an actress, and doesn't fit in to the grand fight over Scientology some editors are sadly engaged in. --Rob 03:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with any "fight over Scientology" and it has nothing to do with my own POV, which is NOT necessarily anti-Scientology. By your stated standards, most biographical information about Catherine "wouldn't count". The events mentioned in this article's Scientology section are factual and sourced. The recent notoriety of Scientology caused by Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes, South Park, etc. makes Catherine's involvement all the more relevant. Some of Catherine's fans may be embarassed by Scientology and wish to downplay her involvement with it, but Wikipedia is a not a fan site. I don't understand your comparison to Catholicism: if Catherine was a Catholic and was taking part in Catholic anti-abortion protests or other controversial religious activities, I would expect that to be covered as well. This has nothing to do with my, or anyone else's, POV regarding Scientology, pro or con. wikipediatrix 20:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, your comments do show this is a part of larger fight about scientology. You're bringing up, what should be irrelevant articles. Please, keep your views on this, or any other, religion out of Wikipedia. If neutral editors agree with this information, being here, I'm sure they'll put it back if it's removed. But people with strong pro- or anti- Scientology views, should *not* be adding/removing this. If anybody wishes to see who's bias here, a quick look at edit history will show who has, and who doesn't have, a Scientology related-agenda. --Rob 21:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Your response doesn't answer any of my concerns or queries in my previous post. I'm sorry you think I have an anti-Scientology agenda, but there's no POV problem with noting her involvement with such a famous and controversial organization. Instead of attacking ME, why don't you stick to the subject at hand, and try discussing what is wrong with the Scientology section of the article, point by point? As I said, everything described in it is real and is sourced and I can't think of any reason you would want to keep it out of any legitimate biography of any celebrity. wikipediatrix 22:38, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Here's a tip. If a web site has a name like "religionX-kills.org" it's probably POV. scientology-kills.org is POV. It is not a reliable mainstream independent media source. Rather, it has a vocal POV agenda, like you. Please, keep you POV-pushing, anti-scientology agenda out of here. BTW, I would just as strongly remove any pro-scientology junk from this article. I didn't even see the need for mentioning it at all. I'm opposed to using Wikipedia to promote a religion, or to attack/disparage a religion. Please do not use Wikipedia to link-spam on behalf of your personally preferred political sites. I suggest any other editors looking at this, please take a careful look the edit history of the above editor (feel free to look at mine to). You'll see clearly what's going on. --Rob 14:47, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't appreciate your condescending attitude or your wrong-headed insistence that I must have an anti-Scientology POV. Turn down the testosterone and stop attacking ME personally instead of discussing the edits, OK? The events mentioned in the article happened (Catherine discussing Scientology on Stern show, etc.), and verifiably so. No one, including me, is using the article to disparage Scientology - please point out specifically where you think I have done so. Also, one of the things you removed was a cite to Bell's own website, www.catherinebellonline.com, hardly an anti-Scientology source! Including information about a celebrity's religion is a basic part of any legitimate biography, especially when the celebrity in question has been so public in her crusades with it. wikipediatrix 14:59, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I never said her own web site was anti-scientology. However, it isn't a good source for saying "She has been a very vocal activist for the church, promoting Scientology's Hollywood Education and Literacy Project". Maybe she's been a vocal activist, maybe she's been a minor one. We can't go to her for an opinion of that (we can only go to her, to see, she has an opinion, what it is). You should have cited a neutral source, like the NY Times, to establish how signficant she is. I don't want to get personal. But, frankly, your edit history is making it impossible not to see a much larger agenda. Somebody has to look at what you put here, in context, of all the many other edits, pushing the same agenda. --Rob 15:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

If you think my edit history reveals an anti-Scientology bias, then you have jumped to conclusions. Just because I maintain on many articles that it is relevant to include controversial statements and misdeeds by the Church does not mean I have any agenda other than presenting the whole truth. It would be the same if Bell was a member of NAMBLA or the Communist Party or Heaven's Gate. I also spend a lot of time removing gratitutous anti-Scientology rants from articles as well, and all the dumb vandalism that has ensued since South Park's Scientology exposé. wikipediatrix 15:20, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Wow. You just made my point. --Rob 15:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Um...how? I said I remove vandalism and POV bias from both anti- and pro- scientology camps, and focus on presenting the whole truth. If this somehow proves your "point", woo-hoo for you. wikipediatrix 18:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

If you said you treated Scientology like other religions, such as Roman Catholicism, or Islam, of Hinduism, you would have made a good point. But your reference to NAMBLA, shows your bias. I note that you've also done similiar bogus anti-Scientology rants in bios of people who aren't even members, such as Neil Bush[3] (guilt by association is shameful, and violates WP:LIVING). So, you're just looking for every chance to push your POV agenda. It's not ok. You appear to be on a crusade about this issue. You can't even see your own bias. Note, I haven't written any pro-Scientology stuff in my edits. Whenever so many edits are related to one issue, and show one side, you know there's a problem. Get some people who don't hate Scientology to show agreement with you, and you'll have credibility. --Rob 18:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Unindenting, for Christ's sake. Anyway, the mere inclusion of material relating to Catherine Bell being involved in the Church of Scientology is appropriate because she is a celebrity that has made public appearances on behalf of the organization. Besides, public appearances aside, mentioning the religion of the subject of the article is appropriate factual information; it no more violates the NPOV rule any more than mention of their political affiliation would be, if known. --Molon Labe 00:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia wrong on Superbowl Trivia, Says Snopes

Eek! A month-old article on Snopes.com says that Catherine Bell predicted the 2002 Superbowl winner and score AFTER the teams playing were decided. The Snopes article is http://www.snopes.com/sports/football/catherinebell.asp; I'm referencing the original The Sporting News article in the article. Enuja 06:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)