Talk:CH-53E Super Stallion

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Contents 1 CH-53/CH-53E 2 Naming Conventions 3 Merge CH-53K with this article 4 Payload capacity

[edit] CH-53/CH-53E

The naming situation is pretty complicated here. One approach would be to put everything under a single article Sikorsky S-65 and have the various versions in sections; however, nobody actually uses "S-65", and this is confusing for the stats table. Since the Sea Stallion and Super Stallion are rather different, I suggest handling this with two articles CH-53 Sea Stallion and CH-53E Super Stallion and arranging all the redirs appropriately, with original S-65 airframe/design info/links going to the "Sea Stallion" version, since that's more of a historical than current interest. The two articles exist now, but I'll wait to tinker with redirs and content until other people have a chance to weigh in. Stan 19:00, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

I think moving all this to the CH-53 page would be the best thing, and include a large section on this helicopter, like with F/A-18 Hornet, but keep this page.--The1exile 16:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Well the way it's done over on the Hornet page is that there's a subsection on the Super Hornet that points to the main article. --Mmx1 17:42, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but in this article make it have a major section which points to this article. Any objection? I would do it but I have a load of course work about 16000 words long to do. --The1exile 20:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

No time to do it now but the CH-53 info needs to be moved to the CH-53 Sea stallion page - this page talks about service in Vietnam and the 1970's but the E version didn't enter service until 1981. --Mmx1 21:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naming Conventions

Recently someone renamed this article to MH-53E Sea Dragon, stating that this is what this aircraft is most commonly known as. I have switched it back as I disagree with that presumption. My reasons for this are as follows: The CH-53E Super Stallion has not only been around longer than the Sea Dragon (1981 vs 1987, the Sea Dragon being based upon the original Super Stallion airframe), there were also four times as many Super Stallions produced than there were Sea Dragons (nearly 200 Super Stallions as opposed to just over 40 Sea Dragons). There are more squadrons flying the Super Stallion (10 Marine Corps) vs the Sea Dragon (3 Navy). There are six CH-53 aircraft variants that bear the Stallion name (CH-53D, RH-53D, VH-53D, VH-53E, CH-53E and CH-53K) vs only one variant bearing the Dragon name (MH-53E). Finally, using the anectdotal "google search" litmus test, a search of google for CH-53E Super Stallion yields 46,800 hits. A search for MH-53E Sea Dragon yields only 14,800. Yahoo is even worse, showing over 51,000 hits for CH-53E Super Stallion, yet only 2540 hits for MH-53E Sea Dragon. Hebron 11:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge CH-53K with this article

The CH-53K article currently has very little info on the page. In addition, the article was created with no discussion on this or the CH-53 Sea Stallion page. As the K is basically an upgrade of the CH-53E, I believe it would be better to keep the information here.

What to name this article should also be considered. Options:

1. CH-53E Super Stallion - No change at this time. CH-53K has not been built yet.
2. CH-53 Super Stallion - Similar to, but still different than, the CH-53 Sea Stallion. The latter article covers Models A-D, and F-G.
3. CH-53E/K Super Stallion - More specific, but a bit non-standard. However, this is the pattern for the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, which also includes the EA-18G Growler. This is my preference.

-- BillCJ 17:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC) No contest. Done. Not renamed. - BillCJ 17:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The K model is far more than an upgrade. It is essentially a new airframe with mostly the same physical footprint, though it is noticably wider. While not as significantly different as the Super Hornet is from the Hornet, it is really not the same aircraft. I think we will in time need to split to off again. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 16:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

True, but as the content stands now, it's fine here. I agree it will need it's own article eventually, assuming it survives Congressional budget cuts in the next few years. - BillCJ 17:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Payload capacity

Can someone expalain why the MH-53E can carry a "16-ton payload" while the CH-53E can only carry "carry underslung loads up to 16,330 kg" (which is 36,000lbs or 13 tons)? Are they not the same airframe, rotors, and engines? --ProdigySportsman 21:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

This is just a guess, but could the 16-ton figure have been actual;ly been metric tonnes? - BillCJ 21:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually I believe the CH-53E has a higher payload capacity than the MH-53E. The CH-53E can theoretically carry a 36,000 lbs load which is 18 short tons. The MH-53E's capacity is only 16 short tons. The difference is in a large part due to the different configuration of the MH-53, namely in that instead of auxillary fuel tanks mounted to its fuel sponsons, it has enlarged fuel sponsons. These sponsons give the MH an increase of fuel capacity of nearly 923 gallons, or nearly 6276 lbs (using JP-5 fuel). An increase in fuel capacity will result in a decrease in overall payload capacity. This only partially explains the diffence. Other places where weight may be either saved or added are on sound-proofing, avionics, fuel probes, seats, crew etc. Hope this answers your questions. Hebron 20:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)