Talk:Chalga
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i made the first major change to the chalga entry to correct what i thought was one-sided negative view. i see my theme-- that chalga is "bulgarian"--remains. i have watched the development of the entry with interest. with each change, i think the writer reveals his or her prejudices.
happily, even those writers who may be critical of chalga seem to acknowledge that it continues to be a factor in contemporary bulgarian culture.
as someone who loves chalga, i can only hope that, whatever the evolution may lead to, chalga stays vibrant. absorbtion of extra-national influences is inevitable. but, i hope that chalga resists temptations to become indistinguishable from international dance music which invades and dominates. it will be a sad day if all the dance clubs play the same ibiza-house-hip hop--london-paris-tokyo-new york euro mix.
chalga sux! most people don't listen to it! it's really rubbish!
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[edit] NPOV, turbofolk
Tried to make the entry more neutral in tone; still needs work and better organization, so leaving the Wikify template in. One aspect relates to turbofolk: underground and vulgar revolutionary music appears to have been a common movement in the formerly communist Eastern bloc nations -- perhaps good for a separate article on this, with links to the different musical styles? Deirdre 22:04, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
I thinks I loves chalga--at least if it is what I think it is; is it what the "Orkestra Bulnari" plays? I have a copy of a recording of theirs that a friend picked up in Bulgaria when were were there in 2000; we referred to it as the "naked chick" tape as it features, well, a voluptuous naked woman on the cover. The title is (pardon my possibly poor transliteration) "Nai Dobrite Kyuchetsi", which is appropriate as it's mostly chockeks (kyucheks if you prefer). I love this music and would like to find more of it, but haven't been able to locate any.
I also think the part of the article that someone above was complaining about being "POV" is actually correct and should stand, at least the statement that chalga is often "denigrated as a second-rate musical genre originating from foreign sources". While this is far from my feeling about the music, I can attest that there is great hostility towards this music by Bulgarians; at least there was in 2000 when I last visited. Our tour guide, a well-known Bulgarian singer, described this music as "jerk music". I wonder how much of this animosity is due to the ethnicity of some of the musicians: I understand that Vulnari, like other similar bands, are ethnic Turkish Bulgarians (and it's well-known how the Turkish minority in Bulgaria has been abused and mistreated in recent history). Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to open that can of worms ... --66.52.186.118 07:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] süper!!
turkish..yürrrüü beeeee müzik bu işte english.. thats the music bulgarian..????
[edit] Some notes
Yeah, but although chalga sucks, it's really popular, and that's why Bulgaria is going to die.
Heh, who said DRS are leading the rap scene? They are cool, but then again, there are artists more popular than them, and there is an underground movement in Bulgaria, too.--84.43.145.225 13:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] negative
Meh, why is this article so negative? look at any style of music, no matter how it "sucks" the article itself rarely devotes the bulk of the first section to why it sucks. come on! Dan Carkner 14:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] no sexually explicit lyrics
I removed the text "sexually explicit lyrics" from the article. There are no sexually explicit lyrics in chalga as far as I know. In Bulgaria, they are common only in the hip-hop/rap music as far as I know. --V111P 01:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Challenging reasons given for official disapproval of chalga
The article currently says, in a section attempting to explain why there was official disapproval of the genre:
- Such simple peasant music had no place in a forward-looking, modern socialist state ...
I challenge this statement. Based on my knowledge of Bulgarian folk music, if anything, the state (that is, the Communist Bulgarian government) threw its full support behind state ensembles that exalted this music ("simple peasant music"). I think the other conclusions of this section are correct, that chalga was dissed because of its "lewd" and sensual nature. +ILike2BeAnonymous 20:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] slavi *replaced* chalga?
what? --chaizzilla 04:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
