Talk:Cheesecake
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I deleted the incoherent "Trivia" section about Al Terzi. Said section consisted of one paragraph, of which was the following:
"Cheesecake was actually a Supreme Court case in 1997. Al Terzi's case of the oxymoron cake would not only jump from his state court in Montana, but actually made it to the supreme court. However after the second court session the case was overruled. The term 'cheese cake' was considered to be too oftenly used and had American Heritage to it. Terzi's new name had he won the case was to call it 'Cream Cheese Pie' and/or 'Tart Cheese Pie.' Terzi has yet to appeal his case to court again."
That paragraph doesn't make coherent sense. I did a Google search on *cheesecake AND "Al Terzi"*, and on *"Al Terzi" AND "Supreme Court" AND cheesecake*, to see if I could find the details which this paragraph is referring to, in order to get more information so as to be able to clarify the text and make it coherent, but all I could find was a link back to the Wikipedia cheesecake article, a bunch of irrelevant cheesecake recipes at http://www.wfsb.com , and a small number of links with more irrelevant data. I could find nothing about Al Terzi and a Supreme Court case dealing with cheesecake. 209.208.77.152 08:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
--Thephotoman 03:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)Is cheesecake a cake, tart, pastry or pie? I would argue that it is a cake, as it has the general properties of a cake. It is also classified as a cake in the Fanny Farmer cookbook (by Marrion Cunningham), which is a classic.
- I would say that a cheesecake is a cake, simply by its name. But it is difficult to try to classify recipes such as these into distinct groups. - Mark 01:33, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- It actually is closer to resembling a custard pie, I think.
--24.0.39.17 20:44, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
Well, to quote from our own cake article:
- A cake is a form of baked food, usually sweet. Cakes normally combine some kind of flour...
A cheesecake isn't baked, and it doesn't contain flour. So yes, it's called a cake, but I think that's a bit of a misnomer. If there's serious disagreement over this, perhaps it would be best to simply call it a "dessert". --Camembert
- A cheesecake is cooked in an oven, is'nt this what baked means?
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- Not all cheesecakes are baked in an oven. The kind I am familiar with is not. --Camembert 01:34, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Haha I can't see an edit war over cheesecake. :-D - Mark 01:36, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- I agree with Cam. "Dessert" is best. --Merovingian ↕ Talk 01:37, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)
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- I concur on dessert, but would like to assert that [1] some cheesecakes contain at least a nominal amount of flour, and [2] few cakes have piecrusts. - Nunh-huh 01:40, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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- And now I'll add the somewhat pointless observation that Boston Cream Pie is a cake... -- Nunh-huh 01:38, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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- Perhaps the difficulty arose because Camembert isn't familiar with the heavy cake-like baked cheesecakes made in Chicago and New York. It is certainly hard to consider the light (runny) uncooked cheesecakes as "cakes". So dessert best includes both kinds. Rmhermen 17:04, Mar 20, 2004 (UTC)
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- (Bit late) - You're right, I'm not familiar with those kinds of cheesecake (I'm British, which might explain it). "Dessert" seems OK for most people, so that's OK. --Camembert 16:29, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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- This is a cake in popular nomenclature because of the constant use of the term and is in fact more like an egg custard. Other languages do not call it a cheese"cake" per se. --Rakista 01:18, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
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personally i call it cheesecake pie
Cake pie? What is this, the stone ages? Jesus. I've heard stupid names for cheesecake in the past, but this one takes the cake pie!
New Yorkers don't claim paternity over cheesecake, merely that the best cheesecake, both Italian or Jewish, are made here. That Roman cookbook is by Apicius. A Roman cheesecake recipe? Well, some read a hamburger recipe into Apicius too... Wetman 02:03, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This page has nothing to do with beefcake. The fact that beefcake is a word play on 'cheesecake' does not make it relevant to this article. - James Foster 02:25, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Pinup pictures
It is a fact that for many decades, pinup pictures of "scantily clad" females, to use the hackneyed phrase, have been called "cheesecake". History of Pinup Cheesecake. By analogy, pictures of male "hunks" displaying a similar amount of semi-nudity or implied nudity are "beefcake".
Since the page has only one word in the title, it will need to either contain disambiguation text or become a disambiguation page that directs to Cheesecake (dessert) and Cheesecake (pinups). Sorry, User talk:James Foster, but that is the only approach that makes sense. Hu 03:51, 2004 Nov 21 (UTC)
I'll move the page and add a disambiguation page. Thanks! James Foster 07:29, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Disambiguation
Sorry, this page should be moved back to Cheesecake with a link at the top to Cheesecake (disambiguation) to handle the relation to Cheesecake (pin-up). The dessert usage is far more prevalent. -- Solipsist 05:48, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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- Agree. No objection. Cheesecake refering to pin-up girls, is better suited for Wiktionary. Sure, it's a slang term, and it redirects to an article entitled "Pin-up girl" but it's not an encyclopedia article. —ExplorerCDT 17:55, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] History
I just removed the following:
- The origins of cheesecake goes back to ancient Greece, where it was served to athletes during the first Olympic Games in 776 BC. The Romans spread cheesecake from Greece to across Europe. Centuries later cheesecake appeared in America, due to recipes brought over by immigrants.
This is complete bs. It was copied over word for word from an article at about.com. If anyone wants to give a valid reference on the history of cheesecake, go right ahead.
In the US, the term "cheesecake" does not mean "a cake made out of cheese"; it's a specific baked dessert made out of cream (or similar) cheese. If there is some other international meaning of the word, feel free to add it, but be sure to make the distinction. To say "the Greeks invented cheesecake" is nonsense to the American reader, whereas "the Greeks were the first to make desserts out of cheese" isn't. --Sean Kelly 19:24, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Famous places to get cheesecake
Someone (presumably from Boston) took out the reference to Junior's in Brooklyn and replaced it with Boston. As far as I know, Junior's is a more well known place to get cheesecake than the entire city of Boston. If you want to add another famous source of cheesecake, go right ahead. But linking to Junior's is not spam; just ask any New Yorker. —Sean κ. + 03:48, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
- Sorry about that. Two different incidents can form a conspiracy. I removed the reference to Junior's because the user who originally added it had worded it as spam, and was also the creator of the Junior's article itself. Another person vouching for it is more than enough. Then someone else came along and added Boston. (Who's ever heard of Boston-style cheesecake? Google hasn't.) I have got to register one of these days. 24.4.199.243 00:07, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] As a pastry chef
I added the types of Cheesecakes that I have baked or have direct knowledge of and a short history of each. I also changed "American-style" cheesecakes to "New York-style" cheesecakes in the comment about Junior's as it does not make sense in context of the new delineation I have offered.--Rakista 19:53, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] I am really confused
It said this page was going to have evidence about why I was preminantly blocked from editing, but it's cheesecake instead, why was I blocked because of cheesecake? Please tell me--Archive13 23:26, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
- The above message relates to a misunderstanding caused by a vandal. See here for more information. Thanks. --Canderson7 00:08, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Cheesecake funny on LiveJournal
According to dee_emm of LiveJournal, there was a resturaunt that had the Chinese for "cheesecake" translated as Wikipedia.
Thought y'all ought to know. --Thephotoman 03:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] the POV of a French
le cheesecake c'est le fromage et le dessert à la fois. --Jerome Potts 04:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Photos
A better photo of a sliced through cheesecake is needed, if anyone has one to submit please do so.
Thank-you.
[edit] Vandalism
There seems to be a lot of vandalism recently and subsequently a lot of reverting. Something should be done about the perpetrator. 165.230.46.142 20:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah. Just today I deleted this: "It a Pie deal with it Chad Pressly Roberts." --205.201.141.146 20:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
