Talk:Cheonsang Yeolcha Bunyajido

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Moved to new rendering of name that has multiple references from other places. -- The Anome 13:35, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, but please be aware of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean), which specifies that the Revised Romanization of Korean is standard for all non-North-Korean topics. -- Visviva 12:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] copy edit

With such a short article, Copy editing is impossible. As a result I removed the template untill the article is expanded

• This article is still a stub
• The grammer is just fine until more infomation is added(No point in polishing the grammer only to have it all undone by someone adding infomation)

Eagle (talk) (desk) 21:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] English name?

I saw a request at someone else's talk page to "englishize" this star map. Translating this to korean should be a feat similar to ko:팔만대장경 - since I don't know hanja, I looked up each one of the chinese words that compose the korean name. I'll put it up here as a reference:

Hangul: 천상열차분야지도 Hanja: 天象列次分野之圖

天 하늘 천 Sky

象 코끼리 상 Elephant

列 벌일 열 Open up

次 버금 차 Be beyond

分 나눌 분 Separate

野 들 야 Prairy

之 갈 지 grind

圖 그림 도 drawing

--Yonghokim 22:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it would help if the title were segmented by word? Character-by-character translations won't necessarily aid in English translation (For instance, the topic has nothing to do with elephants.) Here's what I can gather, partly from Naver's Korean/English dictionary:

天象 (천상) = astronomical phenomenon

列次 (열차) = order/system

分野 (분야) = field (in the sense of a "field of study")/realm

之圖 (지도) = not sure; "지도" written as "地圖" means "chart/map"

之 (지) = possesive particle

圖 (도) = chart/diagram

Putting it together: "Chart for the Field of Astronomical Phenomenon Systems"?

The least we should do is put some spaces in between terms; the current title seems a bit too long for English speakers to parse. -- Calcwatch 05:42, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

-- Calcwatch 22:28, 12 January 2006 (UTC) (updated)

I found that Jeon Sang-woon translates it as "Chart of the constellations and the refions [sic] they govern," which seems reasonable and better than anything I could come up with, so I added it to the intro paragraph. -- Visviva 02:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Origins and influence?

I removed a couple of sentences about the origins and influence of the map, because they didn't seem to be adequately verifiable.

• Origins: from Chinese and Arab models? If this does in fact date to a Goguryeo prototype, then an Arab connection is a bit farfetched, and not supported by any of our current references. The Chinese connection is more plausible, but I couldn't find anything to specifically support it.
• Influence: "a profound influence on Japanese astronomy"? That is the claim made by Ahn, in the web reference, but he does not cite any sources for this, and it is not repeated in any other reputable source that I can find. If the influence was so profound, surely someone else must have noticed it.

I'd be happy to see both of these sentences reinstated, if they can be adequately supported. -- Visviva 02:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)