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[edit] Tooooooooooooooooooooooo biased!

For example, it mentions communism troops recruiting Japanese, but fail to show that KMT also rescuited Japanese (e.g., in Taiyuan).

Another one, it gives a great details of the assistance to the communisum troops from Soviet Union, but never say KMT received far more advanced weapons from US, such as P-51 fighter plane.

Third example: "The Nationalists had already taken the brunt of heavy fighting against the Japanese during World War II, while the Communists (for the most part) took part in guerrilla warfare. As a result, the demoralized Nationalist troops proved unable to stop the People's Liberation Army's advance." These sentences give readers an impression that Nationalist was weaker and PLA was stronger. However, the truth is that when the final stage (1946-1949) of the civil war began, Nationalist troop was far more stronger than PLA. Nationalist kept advancing in every battle field. PLA was defeated at Siping, later lost Changchun, Zhangjiakou, and even lost its capital Yan'an in March, 1947.

Sinolonghai 23:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you on the third example. That sentence gives people the impression that KMT was weak because they fighted Japanese, which is obviously an opinion rather than a fact.

[edit] Casualties?

Why arent the casualties listed?

[edit] Overhaul

Major overhaul - some of the text taken from http://www.nwc.navy.mil/chinesecs/, other parts taken from History of the ROC. --Jiang 08:57, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Removed questionable statements

And yet, even though the balance of power was shifting toward the CPC, there were still numerous opportunities for a negotiated settlement. Joseph Stalin attempted to restrain Mao on several occasions while he gauged American responses to developments in China. After the Huai-hai Campaign, it seemed that the Communists were going to pause on the northern bank of the Yangtze River. Only when it became clear that American and British support for negotiations was lacking, did Stalin give Mao the go-ahead to cross the river.

1) After the CCP broke out of Manchuria prospects for a negotiated settlement were limited by the fact that the CCP had no particular incentive to negotiate with the KMT.

2) The paragraph makes it sound like Stalin had some sort of influence over Mao. I doubt Mao would have stopped at the Yangtze regardless of what Stalin said. By the time the CCP had reached the Yangtze, the KMT was in such disarray that it would have been absurd to think that Stalin would have been able to stop Mao.

[edit] Economist link

Impressive. The Economist has linked to this article for background on current PRC-ROC relations. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to it. - Banyan Tree 13:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chiang Kai-shek

Reverted pending sourcing began in 1926 with the takeover of the KMT by 'the right-wing General Chiang Kai-shek. Thank you. Nobs01 15:57, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Conflict template - Why no casualty details?

There's no casualty details on the template. Is someone attempting to censor this article? I know the Chinese ruling party has strong ties to the Chinese Wikipedia, I hope it hasn't extended it's links in here as well. Black-Velvet 09:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't think too much. Casualties aren't included in the article simply because it's tough to come up with the number; the official stats from both sides are either untrue or included surrendered KMT forces (nearly 2 million Nationalist forces surrendered during the war).

--AQu01rius 18:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Campaigns

I'm going to start writing the campaigns for Chinese Civil War, and maybe make a campaign box.

--AQu01rius 16:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Done.

--AQu01rius 18:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consistency

Some of this needs to be corroborated with Chiang Kai-Shek, because it doesn't say he was expelled. Saying Chiang was "expelled from the KMT" then saying he's still part of the KMT is a bit confusing. The KMT simply split, did he not? It also says that Wang Jingwei rejoined Chiang again. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (Be eudaimonic!) 03:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV dispute

Final stage of fighting (1946–1950) The person that added this gave no reason that I can find. I would suggest that it is useless to add an NPOV dispute without justification and is it the whole setion or a specific part. Does anyone have any objections to its removal?

I'd imagine that the anon added the tag because of the sentence that states the KMT received millions of aid and the CCP received none. This is sort of factually incorrect because it fails to mention Marshall's policy of "disengagement" from the KMT following the failure to form a coalition government. While the KMT had backing from the United States to try to stabilize its economy, its army was low on ammunition and much american aid was withheld, particularly during the most crucial periods, due to congress infighting. In fact, Wedemeyer's last mission to China produced a report that says it's best to America's interest to continue supporting the KMT, however inept it was. This report was suppressed by Truman until politicians began pointing noses on "who lost China".BlueShirts 14:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

no objection Wenzi 02:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

No it is not factually incorrect. The KMT did recieve millions in US aid and the CCP none; this fact was a major reason for the CCP's reaction to the US (not trusting their negotiations nor their want of a coalition government) because in the end, it was evident that no matter if the KMT introduced reforms or not, and if the KMT stopped fighting the CCP or not, the US would always support Jiang. Yes, Marshall was able to get Truman to embargo arms against the KMT from USG sources (July 29, 1946) but the embargo only lasted 8 months, which afterwards the KMT was given a 'surplus' of military equipment via the post-war Lend-Lease program as well as $125 million US dollars in the China Aid Act. Source: Schaller, Michael. [[THe United States and China into the Twenty-First Century.]]

Subotai 09:26, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese Civil War Template

It seems unbalanced that the historically more significant Civil War has no template while the less significant Warlords era has a gigantic and very well made template. In fact most characters of the Civil War are included under the warlords template. See Template:Warlord era Contributors intrested in this topic should create a Civil war template.--Gary123 Apply now, exciting opportunities available at Continental Op Detective Agency! 06:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I created a Chinese Civil War tempate please help develop it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Chinese_Civil_War --Gary123 Apply now, exciting opportunities available at Continental Op Detective Agency! 06:14, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Good job Gary. Asiaticus 10:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Repeated Information

The section on the disbanding of troops by KMT and the troops going over to the Communists and revealing the location of the Nationalist weapons is repeated with more and less information a few sentences down. Stealthkey 03:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No legal document has been signed to end the Chinese Civil War

No legal document has ever been signed by the waring parties (ROC and PRC) to officially end the Chinese Civil War. PRC and ROC didn't stop shelling each other untill 1979. Even though fighting between the competing parties has not taken place since 1979, the Chinese Civil War has not legally concluded.

[edit] Has the Chinese Civil War been resolved today?

Even until 1965 , both side still fighting in real conflict each other.. why put the Civil war end date at 1950? 218.162.81.3 13:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

because that's when major combat on the chinese mainland ended. Blueshirts

Are there official agreements signed by the warring parties to end Chinese Civil War? I don't know any. Redcloud822 19:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

No, but the KMT leadership made the historical visit to the mainland in 2005. I'd say the war has ended, at least unofficially. Blueshirts 19:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

You are free to speculate the state of the Chinese Civil War, but the fact is there is no official agreements to terminate the Chinese Civil War on legal grounds. Therefore, technically the PRC and ROC are still at war. Indeed, as we see the situation could tense up at any moment, given the preparation for war on both sides of the Strait. Redcloud822 03:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What a mess!

There are so many inconsistent statements in this article. Lsxxsc 07:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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