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[edit] Chulak Jaffa homeworld?
Although Chulak is the homeworld of Jaffa loyal to Apophis, it is not the homeworld of the Jaffa people. As a race, they do not have any homeworld, although they, like most peoples encounted in the SG1 universe, originate from Earth. Jaffa loyal to other System Lords such as Yu, Chronos and Baal would come from their respective homeworlds.
(Disclaimer, this is on the advice of a friend whose authority I trust)
nsh 18:13, Feb 27, 2004 (UTC)
According to the Stargate SG-1 roleplaying sourcebook, Chulak is the Jaffa homework; Apophis is merely its "caretaker" appointed by the System Lords. -- piman 21:16, 2004 Aug 11 (UTC)
- That's simply wrong. Dakara is the Jaffa homeworld (and I don't mean the Jaffa Nation, it is repeatedly said it is the general Jaffa homeworld), Chulak was Apophis'. Staxringold 20:41, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Dakara is not the Jaffa homeworld, though it does hold signficant historical and cultural value to the Jaffa. Dakara was the site of the first implantation of a Goa'uld symbiote into a Jaffa's pouch, marking it as the origination of the Jaffa's enslavement by the Goa'uld, but it is not the site of the species birth, nor its most significant center of population.
If Chulak was Apophis's homeworld, why would he leave Chulak to go home? As stated by Teal'c within Children of the Gods, after selecting hosts for their children, the Gods return home. Apophis left Chulak, so if it was his homeworld how would he not already be home? Also, why would it not be the staging point for his fleet? SG-1 boarded Klorel's mothership via a Gate aboard the ship, and the Gate address was most certainly not Chulak. If it was truly his capital, why wouldn't he have his ships there to guard it? JBK405 04:57, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- actually, Apophis' ship didn't depart from the planet SG-1 gated to in "Within the Serpent's Grasp", it was Klorel's ship. Apophis actually only later joined his son's ship. Where he came from is unknown, although is could have been Chulak. Also, in the alternate timeline in "Moebius", Apophis had his own palace on Chulak, suggesting it could very well have been his homeworld. It could also very well be that Apophis had ships in orbit guarding Chulak, but because Earth didn't have ships capable of reaching Chulak during Apophis' rule over the planet, it was never an issue.
- And a note about Dakara not being the Jaffa Homeworld: we know from "Hathor" that after a Human (Jack O'Neill in the episode) is transformed into a Jaffa, he can only survive a few hours without a Goa'uld larva in his pouch, therefore, it would be only logical that the first transformation of ordinary humans into Jaffa and the first implanting ceremony would take place on the same planet. Maartentje 16:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Hathor is actually not considered cannon by the shows producers, but your point is valid and has been supported by numerous other episodes; I'm willing to concede that Dakara might be a Jaffa homeworld, but right now it's not the Jaffa homeworld, since it doesn't seem to be the center of Jaffa culture, population, or anything else until the formation of the Free Jaffa Nation.
Also, Apophis's ship couldn't have come from Chulak. According to one episode, Chulak is apprx. 2,000 light-years from Earth, and Ha'tak's travel a little less than 4 light-years per hour. It would take apprx. 20 days to travel the 2,000 light-years, and we have seen Apophis on other planets less than 20 days prior to his arrival in Earths orbit. JBK405 19:45, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, the last time we saw Apophis before "Within the Serpent's Grasp" (the episode in which he attacked Earth) was "Cor-ai". Now off course, it's difficult to tell exactly how much time passes between episodes, but even if we use the air dates as a reference, Apophis' whereabouts were still unknown for well over a month, well enough time to travel from Chulak to Earth.
- And about Dakara being the Jaffa homeworld: it's fairly certain (and certainly implied by Teal'c's dialogue in "Reckoning") that Dakara was the planet where humans were transformed into Jaffa for the first time, therefore it is the planet on which the Jaffa 'species' originated. Also, the planet is certainly quite important in Jaffa culture, and is considered a holy site, the Jaffa's Mecca. It was also heavily guarded by Ba'al at the time of "Reckoning", so it's reasonable to assume the planet is also quite populated, certaily it hasn't been disproven. Now, considering Dakara as the place where the Jaffa originated, as the centerpiece of their entire culture, and as (certainly populated, if not heavily populated) a population center, could it not be called the Jaffa homeworld? Maartentje 17:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
(A small correction: Apophis was only seen as a flashback in "Cor-ai". The last time we "really" saw him was in "The Nox". Also, the eight episodes between "Lost City" and "Covenant" were seperated by "several months" as citated by Alec Colson.) Maartentje 23:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Gate Address secret?
"Chulak's Stargate address is kept confidential by the SGC." Um, confidential from whom? Were you thinking of the "Alpha site"?
—wwoods 01:25, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Confidential from everyone. :) In the lists of Stargate addresses I've seen it's either not present or labeled "Confidential" or "Not Disclosed". In the show, only a few people know it (SG-1 and Hammond, basically). I know the actual symbols (which I can't type in), but the Pxx-xxx designation (which is needed to use the SGC dialing computer) isn't known to fans or in the show. Suggestions for better wording are invited, since there are several other important planets in the same situation. piman 02:39, 2004 Aug 12 (UTC)
- Well, the actual address is easy:9-2-23-15-37-20. Was Chulak ever given a P* designation? It was only the second planet they gated to, and they learned the local name before they needed to invent a system for labeling unknown worlds.
- Which other worlds are you thinking of?
- —wwoods 07:45, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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- Off the top of my head, Tollana is in the same situation. Until I can get more information, though, I've removed that sentence. piman 23:50, 2004 Sep 6 (UTC)
I think the "P3X-" designation given to planets by the SGC isn't a way of encoding the Stargate address, since the P3X part remains constant for practically all planets that have been mentioned so far. I suspect more likely it's simply an index code used to look up the address in the SGC's database. This makes sense because otherwise you couldn't discuss planets in the presence of non-allies without immediately giving up their address in the process. Bryan 00:22, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Erm, observe Episode 104, The Broca Divide (Stargate SG-1). P0X-000 designations are spat out by the computer from the calculations necessary to adjust the gate adresses from the Abydos cartouche. The first letter is always "P" (or "M" if it's a moon), but otherwise the "0"s can be any letter and the "X" any letter (for example P7J-989, the homeworld of the Gamekeeper). LD 20 September 2005
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- I take it this is the bit you're referring to, from one minute into the episode:
- Daniel: "Couldn't we call this planet something that's a little easier to remember?"
- Carter: "It's based on a binary code the computer uses for extrapolation."
- That suggests it's perhaps more meaningful than just an ID number, but we can't extrapolate much from that about what the meaning actually is. One thing I'm quite sure of, though, is that the P0X-000 designation does not encode the Stargate address. Leaving aside the security implications there simply isn't enough variability in the designation to encode a full 6-glyph address. Bryan 02:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Stargate Association
I remember SGA from the "there but for the grace of god" arc, but always assumed it was "stargate administration". Where'd "association" come from? Tomertalk 05:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
