Talk:Chung Do Kwan

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I have editted the Hanja and Hangul that were originally provided for the Cheongdogwan. The Cheongdogwan, founded by Lee Wonkuk, was the House of the Blue Wave. The previous incorrect Hanja were for a Cheongdogwan offshoot, the Jeongdogwan, House of Right Stepping, founded by Lee Wongyoo in 1954.

That would be LEE, Young Woo. --Bigzilla 05:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, LEE, Young Woo just passed away in August 2006.--Bigzilla 05:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Um Woon Kyu, is one of the most senior Taekwondoin in the world today, however, he is not the highest ranking or most senior. He is among many 9th Dan, but not the most senior.

Also, the Kwans formed the KTA, not the WTF. The WTF was formed by members from a group of nations, not from just members of the KTA.

The Kukkiwon was developed from the KTA--Bigzilla 05:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It is incorrect to state that schools from the Chung Do Kwan line have less emphsis on competition sparring. All Kwans lines were and are equal in their support of competition. Actually today, the idea of Kwan affiliation has almost completely disapeared. Yes, a few schools, mostly in the USA, teach about their Kwan roots, but that is rare. --Bigzilla 06:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Is that so rare? I'm a couple 'generations' removed from learning from Duk Sung Son, but have trained under him, and I have been made known of our Kwan history. 須藤 14:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed it is. Your Kwan history would be Duk Sung Son's personal Kwan (do you know the name of his Kwan?), which has not been Chung Do Kwan for a very long time now.--Bigzilla 06:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

He told us he train under Won Kook Lee and was his most senior student. He said he trained under the name Sung Do Kwan. Others (his direct students) have told that this became Chung Do Kwan, and was brought under the more umbrella term of Tae Kwon Do later. Son doesn't talk all that much, though. 須藤 14:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

All very interresting. In our school, we have Pyong-An I through Pyong-An V, and Kuk Mu I through Kuk Mu V. We have others, such as Chul Gi I & Chul Gi II, Pal Say, Ship Su, and Yumbi (unsure of the spellings). 須藤 06:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Son was his second most senior student. Here is a list of seniors: (1) Yoo Ung Jun, (2) Son Duk Sung, (3) Uhm Woon Kyu, (4) Hyun Jong Myun, (5) Min Woon Sik, (6) Han In Sook, (7) Jung Young Taek, (8) Kang Suh Chong, (9) Baek Joon Ki, (10) Nam Tae Hi, (11) Ko Jae Chun, (12) Kwak Kuen Sik, (13) Kim Suk Kyu, (14) Han Cha Kyo, (15) Jo Sung Il, (16) Lee Sa Man, (17) Rhee Jhoon Goo (Jhoon Rhee), and (18) Kim Bong Sik.

Son made his own Kwan years ago, calling it "Kuk Mu Kwan" after the Kang Suh's Kwan.--Bigzilla 04:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Here is a translation of a Korean Taekwondo history book, Enjoy! http://www.martialartsresource.com/anonftp/pub/the_dojang/digests/history.html --Bigzilla 04:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Um Woon Kyu, the President of Kukkiwon, wrote an article about how to write Taekwondo. He said it was written today as one word, like baseball is no longer written as Base Ball, Taekwondo has become recognized world wide and should be written as one word. Taekwondo, not Tae Kwon Do.--Bigzilla 04:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It is ridiculous to asy that most Americans consider Jhoon Rhee, Chung Do Kwan and Chang Hon forms to be the orignal Taekwondo. You have been to like, what, 10 Taekwondo schools in the USA to make such a determination? So I changed it.

Also, UM, Woon Kyu disagrees with you about the Chung Do Kwan belt color system you listed, and the Poomsae for each. Simply write him, or Hae Man Park at the Kukkiwon and ask. So I deleted that wrong information. Oh, Taegeuk 8 is required for 1st Dan/Poom, not Koryo, that is for 2nd Degree, and that website, it is not a good source since it goes against Taekwondo Chung Do Kwan, Korea policy on Dan promotion regulations. --Bigzilla 08:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tae Hi Nam

I feel this newly added section should be deleted. It has superfluous statements that give no facts, such as

• "If Choi was the guiding personality and "brains" behind Tae Kwon Do's early development, Tae Hi Nam was the physical manifestation, someone who was capable of physically showing the concepts that Choi wanted to get across"

and

• "It is also believed that..."

Facts are not beliefs. 須藤 16:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the citations,須藤 07:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taekkyon

Won Kuk Lee never learned Taekkyon, why would anyone state he did?--Bigzilla 06:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] fact tags

Please read WP:CITE before removing fact tags. Some of the refs. sounded like book titles can a ISBN be added for these? --Nate 15:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Why did you tag that as citation needed? Read the modern history of taekwondo book listed at the bottom of the page, it's all in there, and many other books as well.--Bigzilla 11:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

All the citations on this page are in the modern history of taekwondo book. Folks should read the book. --Bigzilla 11:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The point is what book? Can you provide the ISBN so it's easy to find it if someone dose want to look it up. There is very likely more than own book with a similar title, I'm not disputing the facts, I just want to know where they came from, as per WP:ATT. Specific claims need in-line citations --Nate 12:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)