User talk:ChuChu

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Contents 1 Onegai Teacher 2 El Cazador 3 El Cazador respond 4 Light novels 5 Light novels and target readership

[edit] Onegai Teacher

You keep adding Onegai to the seinen list on the basis that they are seinen, however both were serialized in shounen magazines. Don't mix fandom into this. Seinen/shonen/shojo has all to do with target group and nothing to do with genres. Explain exactly why you think Onegai are seinen titles? I think you misunderstood something (otherwise your edits are vandalism). (I hope you check this and either reply on the seinen page or here). == Thank you for clearing up what I misunderstood and the very useful link. I fixed the error. 80.198.55.105 17:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] El Cazador

Hello, from what I gather, you know something on that topic. Have you also read the latest Newtype article? I may be jumping to conclusions but you seem to understand Japanese, so I was wondering if you could translate that for the sake of El Cazador article? ^^; --Koveras ^☭ 20:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] El Cazador respond

Hmm, my source about the El Cazador manga was from this MoonPhase's diary post; mentioned that it will be a comic adaption (comic-ization) of the bishoujo action anime El Cazador.

Its starting serialization in May's issue of Champion RED magazine.

As to translating that newtype article, sorry, maybe someone else will voluntere to translate it, hopefully someone with much better japanese than mine. --ChuChu

Oh, OK, I'm sorry to have bothered you. %) --Koveras ^☭ 21:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Light novels

Never use the terms shonen or shojo. They simply don't match the target audience -- the age group that reads light novels is older than shonen and shojo, but younger than seinen and josei. Occasionally the term well end up being used for the manga adaption of the light novel, but in the case of Missing, the manga runs in Dengeki HQ, which is an otaku magazine and doesn't use either label. I think what we're seeing here is an overextension of the terms in the English speaking fanbase, which general seems to view the terms as far more important than the Japanese audience. Doceirias 22:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Light novels and target readership

Most light novels are aimed at teenagers, some are aimed at shounen and some are aimed at shoujo. but that doesn't mean that there aren't light novels that are aimed at young men and young women. there's for example the GA Bunko label which is aimed at males between the ages of 10 to 20+ according to the publisher. but still any light novel published under the GA Bunko is considered a shounen light novel (thats how things are), and the same with Dengeki Bunko label.

You mean Dengeki HP, right? yeah thats a magazine aimed at the otaku, the male otaku of course, every light novel serialized in that magazine is published under the shounen label Dengeki Bunko.

The new label HJ Bunko aims at teenagers to 30+, but still its a male oriented label and every light novel from it is considered a shounen light novel (don't ask why, thats how things are).

Male oriented light novels that aime at teenagers and above (even including young men) are always classified as for shounen light novels.

Female oriented light novels that aime at teenagers and above (even including young women) are always classified as for shoujo light novels.

Light novels are always classified as the following:

For males:

Shounen light novels

Adult light novels

For females:

Shoujo light novels

BL light novels

For material read the following:

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ライトノベル

Of course the light novel labels for boys that are mentioned in the wiki are not all the labels for boys, there are more.

Important Links were here...

Links have been removed :P

I'll be deleting the above links in a day or so (I use the above links for my work :P)

Someone (on some blog) mentioned that over 2/3 of female oriented light novels are BL, thats not totally wrong check the female oriented light novels each month and you'll see that thats how things are.

There are also new light novel labels from Shogakukan that are starting soon:

Gagaga Bunko, a label of light novels for boys

Lululu Bunko, a label of light novels for girls

ChuChu 10:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you Japanese then? I translate light novels for a living, so I tend to assume I know more than most people, but I certainly don't know everything. I've never seen the words used with light novels the way they are used with manga, even in the Kono Light Novel wa Sugoi! guidebooks.

The links you provided above do use the words shonen and shojo, but I'm not convinced they use them in the same manner -- from that usage, it could be simply being used to distinguish between male and female oriented lines, without the age factor at all.

I admit that I think shonen and shojo are classifications rather than genres, and shouldn't be in the infoboxes under genres, doubly so when they clearly are stretching the normal definitions of the terms. This might be coloring my opinion a little, but ultimately all I can say is that in my experience, these terms are almost never applied to light novels. If you're a native Japanese speaker and have more experience with this than me, I'll obviously give way to your superior knowledge, but if you're in the same position as me (trying to make an educated guess from outside the culture) then I think it might be worth asking for a third opinion from some native speakers.

You've obviously put a lot of work into adding the shonen and shojo labels onto many, many pages, and it's not my intention to undermine that in any way -- I just want to make sure the terms are actually accurate. Like I said, they felt wrong to me, but that's not a guarantee of anything. Doceirias 10:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

There's no need to live in japan or to be a native japanese speaker to know what are male oriented manga/light novels and what are female oriented manga/light novels. most light novel labels are targeted towards a certain readership just like manga is.

"The links you provided above do use the words shonen and shojo, but I'm not convinced they use them in the same manner -- from that usage, it could be simply being used to distinguish between male and female oriented lines, without the age factor at all."

Yeah exactly, these classifications are used to distinguish between male and female oriented labels, shounen for males and shoujo for females. most of these labels aime at teenagers and above thats why the classifications shounen and shoujo are used. for example: GA Bunko for males 10-20+ and HJ Bunko for males 10-30+.

Shounen and shoujo are terms that are applied to light novels just like they are applied with manga, just because you don't hear the words shounen or shoujo associated with light novels doesn't mean they aren't shounen or shoujo light novels, for example the new light novel label for boys Gagaga Bunko is mentioned by the publisher as "for shounen" here: http://gagaga-lululu.jp/gagaga/about.html and the new light novel label for girls Lululu Bunko is mentioned by the publisher as "for shoujo" here: http://gagaga-lululu.jp/lululu/lululu_bunko.html

I only add shounen/seinen, I have little to no interest in shoujo/josei manga/light novels, I'll make sure no one adds shoujo/josei to any male oriented manga/light novel.ChuChu 13:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this is my point. These labels are used in a very different sense than the are with manga. I'm going to post this for discussion on the anime and manga project. We should be sure. Doceirias 20:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)