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Contents 1 State Projects 2 Unjust deletion of changes? 3 City of Townsville 4 Other significant editors 5 Thanks 6 Template comment 7 Re: State highway shields 8 Hobart_Fire 9 ? 10 Chaser vandalism 11 Wikipedia vandalism 12 Graham Bauer 13 suburbs 14 Special:Undelete/William Cox 15 144.132.221.157 16 your revert to the Dairy Farmers Stadium Page 17 Request advice 18 template:AUS fb stadia 19 Road transport in Australia is new WP:ACOTF 20 alleged OR in Heroes article 21 alleged OR in Heroes article 22 Blockable 23 Hobart suburb navbox 24 Australian States Featured Picture Nomination 25 WP Tas tags 26 Talk:Twenty20#.27Multiball.27 27 RE:Welcome 28 Thanx 29 Survey Invitation 30 revert of 3RoundBracket-Byes 31 Highway template 32 Tags 33 Always late, but not the late 34 Olympics WikiProject membership update 35 Cold plumbing 36 Disambiguation error 37 Apologies 38 Shirt Numbers 39 Cricket 40 Default Sort 41 Hey can you tell me why you deleted my debi 42 National sport 43 Please 44 Help Me Understand

[edit] State Projects

Hey when are we going to get a Tassie one going? (no conflict with other locations at least) SatuSuro 00:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Having broken ground with the Australian maritime history and Western Australian projects - I could have it up and running tonight - any objecctions? SatuSuro 01:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Well actually - maybe a day or two - some of my perth friends are wizzos with some parts of templates andd thingies Im not exactly proficient with - but... could always start.... SatuSuro 01:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Hehe... Us Perthies are getting around! As an occasional visitor to and admirer of Tasmania I'd be happy to help, especially with the Launceston related articles. Orderinchaos78 03:36, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unjust deletion of changes?

Hi Chuq. You deleted my changes to the rage (TV program) page. I really don't think this was reasonable. The problem was that I added a link to some software I wrote. The software however could not be more relevant to the subject matter. Furthermore you deleted all my changes, including the fact that rage puts their playlists up online each week (something I thought was sorely missing). Why delete useful information? The guidelines say "Do not simply revert changes in a dispute". Back to the software link, wikipedia is not and should not be free of links to software, commercial or otherwise. That would make some wiki pages more or less useless. First example I thought of was Computer-generated imagery, which could be explained without reference to commercial software, but would be sorely lacking without it (in fact, that page is surprisingly short and only refers to Maya, so it is sorely lacking!). Would you go about deleting all such links? I linked to software that is directly relevant to the subject matter, and my new section contained other important information which was independent of that link. Please restore my changes, or explain how anything I added was not directly relevant to the topic. Thanks, Rob.

I see you're an expert on semiregular polyhedra now too. Seems you deleted my edits there as a response to my comment above, rather than bothering to reply. Again, my edit included a link to software which allowed people to view the semiregular polyhedra, and print nets for their construction. Nothing could be more relevant to the topic, and people interested in the topic will miss out on a further avenue for studying semiregular polyhedra thanks to you. By your definition, all external links would be "linkspam". I do not appreciate the "spam" label. I hate spam, and would never edit a wiki page except by adding relevant material. By the way, my Stella (software) has its own wiki page. Are you planning to delete that too without discussion? I'd like to point out that the page was created and edited by others off their own bat, and I have not touched it (since writing that I did make one edit, to categorise it). I would appreciate some feedback and discussion before you go deleting anything else unthinkingly on topics you know nothing about. Thanks, Rob. 14:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, quick update, I see you did reply on the chat page of my old user-name (was expecting to find the reply here). You're right that there is a self-interest, in that I would like people to come to my website, but that in no way negates the relevance of either link. I will check the references you gave, thanks. You said that you deleted the whole section about rage's playlists because it was "pretty obvious" that they were online. How is this obvious until you're told about it? I think it's one of the best things about rage, and I didn't know for years that the playlists were online. It's certainly something I'd expect to find out at wiki. Rob. 14:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] City of Townsville

Hi Chuq, I invite your input to Talk:Townsville,_Queensland#Arbitrary_section_break in follow up to your earlier comments. Thanks, Alec 07:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other significant editors

Are there any other consistent tassie eds who might be worth considering to notify re the change? I'll talk with orderinchaos about starting up this weekend. SatuSuro 01:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh and some other admins in case we dig a hole the wrong side of the derwent so to speak! the more who know the more likely we are able to fix up issues sooner than later...SatuSuro 01:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

The support from Longhair is critical - and it all came through in five minutes so to speak. The next thing is - if you are moving arts - I was proposing that order and self help you - what do you think is the most pressing issue from your perspective that you need help with - the project page, or something else? SatuSuro 02:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

You won't need to edit the WP:AUS template from Hobart=yes to Tasmania=yes on articles. Given enough time for the cache/database to catch up, the changes I made earlier should move them all across without any intervention required. -- Longhair\^talk 02:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

For supporting the move to Tasmania project!

SatuSuro 02:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template comment

Hi Chuq. I've made a comment about your recent change to Template:Infobox_Australian_Road on the talk page: Template_talk:Infobox_Australian_Road#Order_of_fields GK1 14:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: State highway shields

Hello Sorry I didnt get back to you sooner, my internet connection died on me 9 days ago. I will do those shields within the next day or two. - Boochan 09:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Better Late than never, I have done the lot of them =) - Boochan 11:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hobart_Fire

Which version is right here? Either could be, but they are quite different. --Scott Davis ^Talk 10:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I suspected as much. I support the idea of merging it to 1967 Tasmanian fires. Both articles were created by the same user a few days apart, and Hobart fire covers more than one fire (on the same day) anyway. Thanks. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ?

Is it me, or is there anyone else interested in WP Tas at the moment at all? SatuSuro 13:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The new person doing north coast thingies - I do hope he/she keeps at it - they 're-did' my james kelly stub - of which it doesnt bother me - but I hope to go through WP N and WP V withthem - as the stubs are all sitting ducks - we have had some interesting things on the mainland about batches of arts which are short of the dollar when it comes to that, andways I'm off for a week myself after that! trust all is well - speak to you later..SatuSuro 01:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chaser vandalism

Hi Chuq. You have no sense of humour, do you? :P I made my own segment on the Chaser page and everything. You're as bad as the guy who deleted my changes to the Nowra page, which I might add were quite true and fair. Ragnarokmephy 05:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia vandalism

On the off chance that you are interested in why there was so much vandalism to Wikipedia from about 3:15 onwards, I was listening to Triple J and they were actively encouraging people to vandalise it. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Ya, same here! I don't normally listen to them, so I was a bit suprised... - Ta bu shi da yu 09:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Graham Bauer

• "Graem" is the correct spelling. -- Freemarket 02:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] suburbs

some quiet slandering and then removal from a few suburbs of hobart if you havent noticed by red links... sigh SatuSuro 05:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC) Hey saw that you saw SatuSuro 08:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC) Ta - muchly for that SatuSuro 09:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Special:Undelete/William Cox

You may want to investigate what happened here, given you wrote the article - looks like it got vandalised and then was speedily deleted. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 08:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Apologies for that. It is usually my practice to check the history but in this case I did not actually add the tag, I merely clarified it, changing {{db}} to a more specific template with reasoning, so it never occurred to me to look. Goodnightmush 12:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppet? I was just making better edits which I do not understand were changed in the first plece. What is a sockpuppet? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.132.221.157 (talk • contribs).

[edit] 144.132.221.157

I just blocked 144.132.221.157 (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) - didn't seem to heed your message. Enough of this crap; block on sight, I say. Daniel.Bryant 11:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC) Unblocked; I think I may have stuffed that one up. Still, the rangeblock below should be effective. Daniel.Bryant 07:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, even better. Daniel.Bryant 11:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

user unblocked, but now up to the same old antics... Dibo ^{T | C} 00:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] your revert to the Dairy Farmers Stadium Page

hi mate would you be able to tell me why you reverted the info | user 60.241.50.228 added as it looked like good info. thanks Thuringowacityrep 10:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

thanks mate thats ok you make a good point thanks for letting me know keep up the great work Thuringowacityrep 11:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request advice

Hi Chuq, I've really reached the end of my cool with Thuringowacityrep, we were in arbitration, which was fine, but our arbitrator seems to have disappeared, as you would be able to see from his talk page I have completely reached the end of where I am willing to deal with him, do you have any advice for me as to how I can go forward with this? I really am sick of constant engagement with this guy when he makes so many bias and unsourced edits and will fight tooth and nail at every point, even to the point of getting personal. I don't want to go through and revert all his edits which do not comply with Wikipedia policies, but that seems to be the only thing which will maintain the integrity of Wikipedia itself. Your thoughts? Alec ^{-(answering machine)} 10:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

sorry for sticking my nose in but can you please read [1] as it shows that Alec doesn't agree with what Amerique (our arbitrator) says and it also shows that i have been very nice to Alec thank you Thuringowacityrep 10:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] template:AUS fb stadia

as you havent responded see my comment here--Dan027 06:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Road transport in Australia is new WP:ACOTF

Hi Chuq. You voted for Road transport in Australia as Australian collaboration of the fortnight. It has been selected, please help to improve it in any way you can. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] alleged OR in Heroes article

Hi, I didn't add the information you removed and have never seen it before, but I would ask how it is considered OR? Either it is real, and as such it was added by the crew/creators, or it is false. Anything that isn't in fact the obvious symbol may be considered OR if your criteria are harsh enough. Not trying to be confrontational, and haven't seen Ted's laptop, but how would you claim it to be OR? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WookMuff (talk • contribs) 10:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] alleged OR in Heroes article

Hi, I didn't add the information you removed and have never seen it before, but I would ask how it is considered OR? Either it is real, and as such it was added by the crew/creators, or it is false. Anything that isn't in fact the obvious symbol may be considered OR if your criteria are harsh enough. Not trying to be confrontational, and haven't seen Ted's laptop, but how would you claim it to be OR? WookMuff 10:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blockable

What are you referring at?--Uyet Ustranimii 11:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

What should I do?--Uyet Ustranimii 12:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hobart suburb navbox

• Hi Wiki ian, The reason the non-official suburb names aren't included in the navigation box is because the navbox is to help navigate between articles - those aren't articles, they are redirects. If people search for Abbotsfield, Tasmania or Springfield, Tasmania, they will find the correct location of the information on Wikipedia. I specifically mentioned the locations in the main template page so that editors could use "related changes" to find changes to suburb articles AND redirects. -- Chuq 08:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

• • hey chuq. Do you not think this should be expressed on the template itself... so that people who are not as familiar with Wikipedia who see the template, will understand whats going on when they dont see their suburb in the template. I'm just trying to make the template a little more user friendly. Wiki ian 09:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Australian States Featured Picture Nomination

Hey there, I recently nominated your image (although I'm not sure if it was you who actually made the animation) of the evolution of the States of Australia for featured picture status here. A couple of things were raised by a voter as issues that they would like to see improved before it would achieve FP status. I'm not sure if you have the ability to do these things, becuase I certainly don't, so I thought I'd tell you in case you can fix it up and get yourself a nice shiny bronze FP star next to one of your creations. Cheers. Witty lama 11:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP Tas tags

Am I a loner on this or is anyone else doing it that you have noticed? SatuSuro 12:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Is there anything I need to know about the sport in tas category?SatuSuro 11:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

As long as it wasnt me - the mixing western australia, indonesia and tasmania (I dont dare do maritime hist at the same time) for tagging does leave me feel a bit challenged at times :) SatuSuro 12:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Something happened on the project page? cripes whats that - the first edit for the year :) SatuSuro 03:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Twenty20#.27Multiball.27

Agree. --Shirt58 13:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Welcome

That sort of thing happens. I would like to own a "welcome-bot" but I don't know how to program one. I do not add welcome messages to talkpages that have already been created (as I figure this may be a sign of a vandal). My policy (when I occasionally decide to welcome people) is to only choose those on the "user creation log" that have already contributed, as I can not even think of welcoming everyone, no matter how fast I try (and I've tried!). I've thought about what would happen if I welcome a vandal, and i guess the worst that would happen is he is slightly encouraged and blocked faster, the best is that he sees the Wikipedia policy, and/or see kindness in a Wikipedia editor, and thus is convinced not to vandalize. Either way, if his first edit is vandalism, I'm confident in the CVU and RC patrol (being a member of both) that they will pick it up and give him the usual warnings. But, I never answered your question directly, so to put it briefly, yes, I manually welcome people. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia!!!--Vox Rationis 06:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanx

Thanx for the tip...

i was considering putting a notice up on the WikiProject Football (soccer) in Australia page to tell people the new categories and to tell them to help out and add all the individual pages from each state to their respective state categories as its too big to do by ones self... unless you have a better idea? {Santiago26 13:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)}

[edit] Survey Invitation

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[edit] revert of 3RoundBracket-Byes

Can you please let me know what pages "broke" with your revert to Template:3RoundBracket-Byes? There was little indication in your edit summary and nothing on the talk page. I would rather fix them instead of reverting to an inferior version of that template. Thanks, Andrwsc 17:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Would you mind if I re-reverted that template and then tried to figure out what was wrong on the specific page you mentioned? Andrwsc 21:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it turned out to be rather simple! You needed to use "25px" instead of just "25". This change is a consequence of using the "style=" syntax instead of the older "width=" syntax within the bracket template, and the reason for that change in the first place was that I wanted these brackets to render well with any arbitrary text size, which required setting the default widths in "em" spaces instead of absolute pixel sizes. The older "width=" syntax does not support em-sized widths. Hope this makes sense, and I hope you are ok with the results on that A-League page. Cheers, Andrwsc 21:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Highway template

Hi Ian, Since you have been doing a great job updating many Tassie road/highway articles lately, I thought I would point out that there is a template, Template:Infobox Australian Road - designed for use on articles about Australian streets, roads and highways. -- Chuq 01:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks chuq. Will start updating pages with that template immediately. Wiki ian 01:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Good work with the changes to the template! I'd like to see those sorts of changes to IAP but with a greater pool of editors there it might be going against consensus to do it there. Especially with the LGAs, some of them are extending beyond a full screen on my 1280x960 monitor... BTW as far as I know the first article with that infobox in place got featured last week - Hamersley, Western Australia. Orderinchaos78 04:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Again on the highways - I've noticed an anon adding extra 'See also' links to some articles eg East Tamar Highway. While these links are useful, they are the kind of thing that should be a standard on all Tassie highway pages - therefore a template would be preferable. However, this would clog up the Hobart highway articles as they already have the Hobart Road Infrastructure box there! Would you prefer to replace your box, or merge them somehow ... or any other ideas? -- Chuq 01:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

re-designing would be good, but then if done properly, an entirely new design would be good. The template i've created for Hobart highways, i was thinking of making different types of them, one for tassie, highways and launnie highways etc. i dont have enough experience on Wikipedia yet to have a solid confident approach? What are your thoughts? your opinion? cheers fella Wiki ian 03:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Basically i agree, it would be good to include the see also links in one of these templates. Wiki ian 03:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tags

Seeing you are wandering through all those tassie locations - I sure hope youre checking them for Tas project stags on the talk pages as well :) SatuSuro 12:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC) Is that something I can follow up on too? also a huge number of tas project stubs havent a single element of ref/cite/ext link - I really think there should be an effort somehow to get at least one of some sort on each as some sort of aim...SatuSuro 12:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that - it is a relief to see at least one other ed doing that... the rate we are going we might even catch all tasmanian articles by about, ummm....  ? SatuSuro 00:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey melaleuca is an airstrip yes - but really a town? is it a declared tosnsite - i doubt it... prove me wrong... :) I think it should be designated as an airstrip with inhabitants rather than a town... imho... SatuSuro 06:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

We crossed in messages - all of them need to be tied in - and we need a map otherwise the reader is none the wiser - it all started when someone actually was trying to sort out the hells gates up at macquarie harbour (theres a hells gates in the deep south west as well) - give me day for refs ok? - bathurst, davey, melalueca, maybe some other stubs as well :) cheers I honestly think melaleuca should be based on airstrip rather than as a locality by itself SatuSuro 06:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Nah - i remember chatting with kelisi when he was making that map - its subjective - its the airstrip believe me - no mention of bathurst or davey - we need to find another if possible - maybe i'll get one of my indonesian projecct map making wizzkids to show me how :) it would be a good exercise in disambiguating the named items in that corner of the state... SatuSuro 06:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Nah - there -is-- are at least 3 very good dyk stories (if not 5) - for that area - but hey i am on too many threads to do it in short term - give me a day - i might even email you later today about them,, if you dont mind... SatuSuro 06:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Apologies - wll have to be a day or two - the south west tas and south west wilderness articles create precedents and have confused the issue horribly - will need a few days at least. sorry for the delay... SatuSuro 12:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Wednesday afternoon i should have my hand on some books that solve the issue.. sorry for delay SatuSuro 13:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Always late, but not the late

My most sincerest apologies - too many threads and too much of real life: OK the problem - south west tas articles are governed by the poor quality and potential repetitive nature of info in the main articles that lead into the derivative articles.

• 1. There are a number of ways to resolve this to ignore the main articles - create or expand what would be the derivative articles and go back and fix up the main articles after.
• 2. Try to remove repetition and poor quality main articles and then work on derivative smaller ones
• 3. The heirarchy in my mind is 'The main south west articles' are the main lead ins - and then the possibility of the smaller separate articles isolating the separate bits.

I really think that the 'outdoor' walking track backpaccking info almost needs a separate article - rather than cluttering the other derivative articles - but would have to take time to create that one

• 1. Bathurst Harbour
• 2. Port Davey
• 3. South west Islands
• 4. South west coast
• 5. Early european presence

These potential articles - have either included in them - or even further derivative articles - some of the potential oddity/dyk issues are there. I would rather email details than lying around here. As always its the time and energy issue - to acttually get beyond minimal stub stage is the problem for me at the moment. Too many threads and real life. SatuSuro 02:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

) hahah Devonport- WP Indonesia WP Indonesia class=NA, WP Australia WA=yes, WP Australia maritime=yes, WP Australia, WP Australia Hobart=yes sometimes late at night, there is the odd mistake between them :)

just as long as a Hobart suburb does not get acccidentally into Indonesian categories, I am ok I suppose :) SatuSuro 03:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Re your proposed change - somehow when things were being made - (if I remember rightly) - West Coast Council was carrying details about the west coast and the council - then i created the west coast article as a lead in to all the other articles (as I assumed one should) - so yes if you going to - I would have to agree - if indeed you have the WP Australia Place project talk page with the convention finally agreed on such - I would possibly remember some regions maintaining second word caps - but I cannot remember where.

• Do you have any comments re my rabbiting above? SatuSuro 09:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
• IE re the south west thing - I'd be interested whether we go in one way or the other - small arts that will cause the big ones to be re=written - or re-write the big ones to make space for the small ones ...SatuSuro 09:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Olympics WikiProject membership update

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[edit] Cold plumbing

Thanks for that - it was geting cold...all the edits had been vandalism anyway. Havent reverted the middle ones. got to get off. Thanks again SatuSuro 06:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation error

Hi there, I noticed that in using AWB you changed two links to Pacific Highway in AusLink - however, you changed them to different articles (one the Australian highway, and one the US highway). Not sure if you use a bot or something to automatically select the best target, but I thought I would let you know. -- Chuq 07:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Must have selected the wrong one. I hate it when that happens. Anyway, thanks for picking it up. Harryboyles 08:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Apologies

I didn't realise you had deliberatly removed the section! Sorry, I checked the page without reading the discussion first, my error. I am actually just in the process of updating the most recent match stats for all of the Aust first class sides as we speak. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rac fleming (talk • contribs) 13:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Shirt Numbers

Hey Chuq, you didn't have to undo every edit I did. If you want to change the shirt numbers back then do so, or I can do it if you like, but the numbers of caps and goals of players, that I updated, are all correct. I used the FFA website for those. But why is it that Carl Valeri has no. 43 as his number on wikipedia but his number against China was no. 13? Same for Brett Holman, Mile Sterjovski, Michael Beauchamp, Patrick Kisnorbo. Are you going to continuously update them every time they change their shirt numbers? I'm not saying my capping thing is a better solution but I don't think their shirt numbers should determine which players should be on that page or not.

And I find including the training squad members, the unused substitutes in the current squad really makes the whole list look confusing, disorganised and ultimately that information becomes irrelevant (Alex Wilkinson hasn't been in the Socceroos squad for a while as well as Nick Ward who isn't even a capped player). If you look at any other football teams wikipage, they only include players who have been capped. I really think you should rethink your criteria for which players should be included.

Is it possible to work out a compromise? Blackjanedavey 12:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cricket

Chuq, it looks like time to create Cricket in Australia so it can be selected as WP:ACOTF. You nominated it, so may have the privilege of creating it if you're quick. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Much better than the one-liner I was about to put up to start it off. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I see that you contribute to cricket related,take a look if you would like to join WP:CRIC.--Thugchildz 08:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Now we see your true colours! a dislike of see alsos? ahah, no wonder I dont see you in the same territory at times.... :) anyway at least its up and running and has refs to real books - thats my pet dislike - claims of online materials as references, yuk. cheers SatuSuro 13:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Good examples - John Cleese 'bleeding obvious' stuff. Yeah about the online sources - it seems I never ever find editors using either tassie state library, or national library catalogues for checking refs ever... the whole tassie project set of stubs could be elevated somewhat by the addition of some real books/articles - I have just uncovered my copies of the tasmanian year book for 1976,1977, and 1982. expect something to happen later in the month from that SatuSuro 13:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Default Sort

No I wasn't aware of this .... very useful. Thx Charles Victuallers 14:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey can you tell me why you deleted my debi

hey can you tell me why you deleted my debi jones article-it isnt political, im only interested in her tv work. but i did ask permission to reproduce the bio from debi and the conservativesLoopylooloo 12:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] National sport

Ciao, I am Italian and article is lier! I put my version now and later I will in discussion, ciao. LEO —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.33.94.222 (talk) 13:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Please

put Crayfish Creek on your watch list - it looks like we have a lame edit war stretching out over the millenia on this poor small article, thanks SatuSuro 04:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help Me Understand

i just dont understand why you think Dowsing Point is a suburb and not abbotsfield or Springfield? Dowsings point is no more than Park lands, the Techno Park and The Qantas Call Centre, no residental houses, While the other 2 are strictly residential, please help me understand this. I mean to have this article in the template, we should also be including Montrose Bay and other areas that have no residential property but are known areas in Hobart. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wiki ian (talk • contribs) 01:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

Hi Ian, a couple of references I have used:

• Glenorchy City Council's suburb map - http://www.gcc.tas.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/suburbs.pdf
• Google Maps - http://maps.google.com.au/?ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=-42.819329,147.296791&spn=0.108664,0.248566&om=1

Both seem to show the same thing. I'm not sure what other references are out there for this kind of thing though. -- Chuq 01:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be stuburn here chuq, honest. The google map states that Dowsings point is a locality, I'm not argueing that for a second (eg Flagstaff gully is a locality not a suburb), the second site from Glenorchy city council would appear accurate if you didn't live in Glenorchy, and i'm guessing it's this PDF file that has formed your opinion on Springfielf and Abbotsfield. However in the top right hand corner of this pdf file there is a disclaimer about how accurate it is, possible next time you're in the Glenorchy area you might consider driving via dowsings point to see my point. Would really like to reach concesus on this matter Chuq, i have edited the page again, however i have't removed the Suburbs Template this time. I will now seek info from the Austrlian Bureau of statistics for further clarification on the matter. Cheers fella

Wiki ian 04:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Both seem to show the same thing. I'm not sure what other references are out there for this kind of thing though. -- Chuq 01:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Well that's the thing, it's not just the maps - I do actually live in Glenorchy! I'm not denying that Dowsing Point isn't an industrial area - but I'm using suburb in the 'geographical subdivision of a city' meaing rather than the common usage of "in the 'burbs". As an example, Hobart CBD is also a suburb, in the sense that Sandy Bay, West Hobart, North Hobart, etc. are, as "Hobart" is the term used by Australia Post to refer to addresses within that area. I'm also uploaded a screenshot from http://www.thelist.tas.gov.au (since you can't link directly to maps) of a map there which showns suburb boundaries. (You can display the map as shown by turning off all layers but "localities").

We could rename all these articles from "suburbs" to "localities" if you prefer? -- Chuq 05:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I withdrawl my arguement, as in principle you are right. I do worry however that you may have set a precendent for other geographical areas with names in the hobart area to be classed as suburbs (eg Bowen park). Further more I will at some point be creating pages for Abbotsfield and springfield, as there are plentiful references on google stating the fact. Wiki ian 05:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)