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[edit] EU citizenship
EU citizenship (a) exists and (b) is solely additional to nationality/citizenship of an EU member state. Here is the current a rich and scholarly history, should not be dedicated to a discussion comparing the two recent books "We the Media" with "The Wealth of Networks," neither of which are necessarily are about citizenship. (More appropriately, they are about the roles of mass media and computer networks.) This constitutes book spam. The unnecessarily long comparisons were deleted but reinstated in minutes.
Some subtopics (such as Citizenship (Canada)) have their own entries. Should they be linked back to this entry? -[User: Finn-Zoltan|FZ]]
- I think that would be a great idea. And this entry can link to them/ --Spinboy 19:41, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Sakharov citizenship status
Sakharov was never made an Honorary US Citizen:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:HJ00089:@@@X
[edit] EU Passport Common Design
This article states that "The EU member states use a common passport design, burgundy coloured with the name of the member state, national seal and the title "European Union" or equivalent.". That is completely incorrect. Finnish passports are blue, German passports are red, Danish passports are also red, Lithuanian passports are green, Czech passports are pink. What is the source of the previous statement, because it should be rewritten. Páll 10:52, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Perhaps you are looking at old passports and not the current designs? --Spinboy 21:08, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The European Union passport format and design are a result of consensus, of "recommendation" in Euro-legal terms, not directive: Resolutions of 23 June 1981, 30 June 1982, 14 July 1986 and 10 July 1995 concerning the introduction of a passport of uniform pattern, OJEC, 19 Sept. 1981, C 241, p. 1; 16 July 1982, C 179, p. 1; 14 July 1986, C 185, p. 1; 4 Aug. 1995, C 200, p. 1. --Andy, 13:53, 23 Mar 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ICELAND
Is it true that in order to ger Icelandic citizenship you can go one time as a tourist and renew your tourist visa every year for 3 years, and in the 3rd year you become and Icelandic citizen?--84.228.246.173 20:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
no that is complete rubbish--Lucy-marie 14:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citizen/Subject?
In the definition of Citizenship it says explicitly that some people are subjects rather than citizens. At the same time, a wider implicit definition, possibly "a citizen is someone who holds a passport" is used in some pages in wikipedia.
In the page on e.g. Saudi Arabia some people are called citizens, but they have no (real) rights to political participation, therefore in the narrow sense they should be called "subjects".
I can imagine that other people hold similar views about other countries' nationals. Maybe the word citizen is not neutral, and may have to be removed from descriptions of various' countries nationals.
Any thoughts?
FroS
[edit] Can you not be a citizen?
Can you be without citizenship or is it compulsery at birth based on nationalism? Can you get a passport and thereby travel without being a citizen?
- It is certainly possible for a person to be without citizenship of any country. Many countries do not grant automatic citizenship to children born to non-citizens. Unless the country of which the parents are citizens grants citizenship based on heritage, the children will be non-citizens. I understand that there are Koreans who've been non-citizens in Japan for generations, and have lost their Korean citizenship. It's also possible to renounce one's citizenship. -Will Beback 20:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Legal Residence
Hi all, sorry for bothering. I notice the phrase "legal residence" across most articles, but it is not defined. Does it mean ANY legal stay in the country? Does that also mean studying in the country constitutes legal residence? Thanks.
[edit] Confusion
"Nationality most often derives from place of birth (i.e. jus soli) and, in some cases, ethnicity (i.e. jus sanguinis). Citizenship derives from a legal relationship with a state. Nationality can be lost, as in denaturalization, and gained, as in naturalization."
This text is very confusing. I suppose the reason is that the concept of "nationality" in the UK and USA is quite different than in the rest of the world. In most other countries than the two mentioned "nationality" is something acquired by birth and descent, and is roughly equivalent to ethnicity, while citizenship is a set of legal rights the individual acquires from a state. Thus, nationality can not be lost and gained, but citizenship can. Nationality can in some cases be changed by the individual in a process of voluntary or involuntary assimilation to another nation (usually in young age). Columbo
- Agree. Moreover, the fact is that citizenship is more often based on "jus sanguinis" principle ("jus soli" is applied only if the child would become stateless otherwise) while "jus soli" is only used in some states of American continent. Murmillo 19:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Commonwealth Citizenship
Did some editing here, especially with regards to erroneous claims made pertaining to Canada and tried to make the section sound less POV; the section read like it was written by Anglophiles and monarchists. I will look into this to look into this as many of the claims in said section sound rather suspect. The idea of "Commonwealth Citizenship" having any practical meaning to citizens of most member states of the Commonwealth is more or less a pipe-dream.
[edit] Question assertion seen in intro
The intro says, Some countries like Cuba and the United States of America forbid dual citizenship in the other country because of political tensions between the two nations.. Unless a cite can be shown that the U.S. "forbids" Cuban citizenship, I suggest that this be reworded. Ditto a cite showing where Cuba "forbids" U.S. citizenship. If such cites cannot be found, these assertions should be removed. If such cites can be found, the meaning of the word "forbids" in this context should be clarified (e.g., what sanction is imposed upon a U.S. or Cuban citizen found to hold citizenship in the other country?). -- Boracay Bill 00:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Removed this assertion -- Boracay Bill 02:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] We would like to be added as a link on this page
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[edit] Keep/Remove link to http://opm.gov/extra/investigate/IS-01.pdf
Should the link, Citizenship laws of the world, be a part of this article? --Kevinkor2 00:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep: I believe it is a reliable source that lists the effect of citizen laws around the world. --Kevinkor2 00:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Proposal: Delete section ==Examples of nationality law (Citizenship) in specific countries==
This section would duplicate the similarly-named section in the wikipedia article on Nationality law if it matched that article, which it does not. I propose deleting this out-of-sync section and replacing it with a link to that other wikipedia article. Barring objection, I will do this. Objections? Comments? -- Boracay Bill 01:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Deleted the section; added links to similar material in the See also section. -- Boracay Bill 04:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
