Talk:Clayton Counts
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This article was nominated for deletion on January 7, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep. |
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this does not comprise an article and does not meet Wikipedia rules for notability
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by April Winchell (talk • contribs).
- (This was originally posted by Kurt Benbenek, who is a troll. He used April Winchell's name, but is not her. Kurt had his own Wikipedia entry deleted for lack of notability, and has since been posting as people in the outsider music community, such as Otis Fodder, Irwin Chusid, and Clayton Counts on the WFMU message boards, as well as many talk pages on Wikipedia. He has also attacked several Wikipedia pages in the past.)
- The initial deletion proposal was made from a fake account, by someone who dislikes Mr. Counts. It meets the Wikipedia standards for notability insofar as Mr. Counts has been mentioned in Rolling Stone, American Songwriter Magazine, the Boston Herald, the Chicago Sun-Times, the Chicago Reader, Lumpen Times, the Onion, E! Online, the Austin Chronicle, Entertainment Weekly, and USA Today. I will get references up and expand the article.
- TrevorPearce
I suggest you include these mentions, with reasonable quotes (i.e. not too long) and referenced. See Anna Svidersky and Mark Bellinghaus for examples. Tyrenius 16:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
The AFD debate result was keep. TrevorPearce 10:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
- However, he's only notable for The Beachles at the moment, so there's a good case to be made for a merger I think... --kingboyk 17:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- That case wasn't made sufficiently during the AFD debate. A redirect was mentioned as an alternative to keeping the article, but the result was keep. If you want to re-propose it, be my guest. The result will be the same. There are plenty of references to Counts in the media. This makes him notable. See Wikipedia's notability guidelines for confirmation. People who are notable deserve to be profiled, regardless of how many things they are notable for. If we merged the two articles, then we'd have to include biographical information about Counts on the Beachles page. More than a couple of DJs who are notable for only one record have their own pages. So what if you think that's all he's notable for. He is notable, in accordance with WP:MUSIC. And contrary to your position, there are at least two mentions of him in the press prior to the Beachles record. One in the Austin Chronicle, and another in the Chicago Reader. TrevorPearce 05:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- Added the link to the Reader article. I see also that Counts is listed under FringeWare Review, another notable entry. TrevorPearce 05:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- I just did propose it. Here. No need to get hot under the collar, it's just a suggestion... (What happened in the AFD debate is irrelevant. That decided against deletion. Merging is an editorial decision.) --kingboyk 13:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- It isn't irrelevant at all. The article was proposed for a merger just last week. Check the AFD debate. I'm not hot under the collar, but like a few others you just seem antsy to get rid of the article. No offense to you, even if that is the case. But like I said, there are references that predate the Beachles record. Merging it will mean that someone else will have to rewrite this article from scratch eventually. TrevorPearce 19:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- Another thing is: this article is about someone who is notable for making a record (even a single record), while the article you are proposing to merge it with is about the record he made. If we're going to talk about merging, there are several artists who only released one record before their deaths. Should we merge their articles with those of the records they released? Counts is more likely to release another record than a dead person. To merge the article would be silly and inaccurate. He isn't the record. He made the record, though, and he is notable. Again, look at WP:MUSIC. TrevorPearce 19:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
