Talk:Clear rolling papers

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Please do not Vandalize this page, this post is referring to Aleda employees who keep vandalizing the page after being caught falsely advertising their product as being made from vegetables intead of wood & glycerin... --Mrtobacco 22:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cellophane and Cellulose Film

Depsite the repeated reverts and false claims of vandalism against any user that attempts to modify this page, the fact is that there is no evidence that these papers are made of cellophane. Cellophane, in the generic sense of the word, is made via the viscose process. It's not the only way of making cellulose film (see for example, the amine-oxide process), and the only sources available specifically say cellulose film, not cellophane. As such, I am again changing the wording back. Please do not change it to cellophane again without provoding a source for the statement. (A source doesn't include your own website). CiaranG 16:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

CiaranG, if you would take the time to READ the Cellophane and Viscose pages you would see that CELLOPHANE is a generic term for Cellulose Film. It is a former brand name that has become a generic term. Read the page please, then you might understand why these papers are made from CELLOPHANE (a rose called any other name is still a rose...). Strange how you suddenly got involved and began simply reverting the page back to a form that another user from Brazil did. It honestly makes me very suspicious of you and your intentions. Please also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genericized_trademark --Mrtobacco 16:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be extrememly worked up about something so I will ignore your lack of civility and scurrilous accusations for a second time. Thanks for adding the reference regarding the gylcerol. However, I don't think you read my message in full. You're correct in saying that cellophane, the former brand name, is a now a generic term for cellulose film - however, that only applies when made by the same process, i.e. the viscose method.

Until you can provide a reference for the method of production, I am simply suggesting that you stop re-inserting the word cellophane, and stick with cellulose, since that is the only properly sourced information available. CiaranG 16:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

But - Um - There is no other way to make Cellulose Film. They post on their website (follow the links for the brazil site) that they use Regenerated Cellulose Film. That is a term for Cellophane (or Cellulose film made from Viscose). Check it out an you will see... Sorry if I sound mean but I am sick of the Brazil guys posting their promo junk all over Wiki --Mrtobacco 15:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In case you aren't in the mood to click on the link to read that Cellophane IS CELLULOSE FILM GENERIC TERM

Cellophane From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Cellophane is a thin, transparent sheet made of processed cellulose.

Cellulose fibers from wood, cotton or hemp are dissolved in alkali to make a solution called viscose, which is then extruded through a slit into an acid bath to reconvert the viscose into cellulose. A similar process, using a hole instead of a slit (a spinneret), is used to make a fibre called rayon.

Cellophane was invented by Jacques E. Brandenberger, a Swiss textiles engineer in 1908. After witnessing a wine spill on a restaurant tablecloth, Brandenberger initially had the idea to develop a clear coating for cloth to make it waterproof. He experimented, and came up with a way to apply liquid viscose to cloth, but found the resultant combination of cloth and viscose film too stiff to be of use. However the clear film easily separated from the backing cloth, and he abandoned his original idea as the possibilities of the new material became apparent. Cellophane's low permeability to air, grease and bacteria makes it useful for food packaging.

Whitman's candy company initiated use of cellophane for candy wrapping in the United States in 1912 for their Whitman's Sampler. They remained the largest user of imported cellophane from France until nearly 1924, when DuPont built the first cellophane manufacturing plant in the US. In 1935 British Cellophane Ltd was established, a joint venture between La Cellophane SA and Courtaulds, which opened a major factory producing cellophane in Columbus, OH in 1937. Cellophane is also used in gift baskets and flower bouquet.

Cellulose film has since been manufactured continuously since the mid-1930s and is still used today. As well as packaging a variety of food items, there are also industrial applications, such as a base for self-adhesive tapes like Sellotape and Scotch Tape, a semi-permeable membrane in certain types of battery, and as a release agent in the manufacture of fibreglass and rubber products. Typically, however, the use of the word "cellophane" has been genericized, and is often used informally to refer to a wide variety of plastic film products, even those not made of cellulose.

Cellophane sales are now dwindling heavily, through use of alternative packaging options, and the fact that Viscose is becoming less common because of the polluting effects of carbon disulfide and other by-products of the process.

[edit] See also Genericized trademark

[edit] External link Cellophane Invention —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mrtobacco (talk • contribs) 16:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC).