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[edit] 20 knots???
" Sometimes these ships could reach 20 knots." I'm very sure this is a mistake. Can anyone vet it or provide data? Modern long-distance racing sailboats average in the neighborhood of 10 knots. I did not remove the text. --Wetman 05:05, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Cutler reports four specific instances of speeds logged at 20 or more, with an 1854 voyage of Sovereign of the Seas logging 22 knots. This is prefixed with three pages of discussion on whether any number over 15-16 knots was plausible, at the end of which he concludes that the logs ought to be believed. I should probably add a paragraph on this point. Stan 08:12, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Yes. Even if it were only for me. I was wrong: it is certainly an incredible speed. Good thing I didn't remove the text. What's the highhest speed for a modern catamaran I wonder? --Wetman 10:58, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Heh, you weren't the only one disbelieving - to some extent, I think Cutler was simply unwilling to call the captains liars or incompetent. One of the reasons day's runs are preferred as a measure of performance; more reliably documentable, and not just a momentary fluke of perfect wind and perfect water. New cats seem able to go quite a bit higher; [1] reports an average of nearly 26 knots for Playstation in 2001, with some other sites mentioning 40-knot(!) peaks. But they're "cheating"; no cargo. :-) Stan 16:39, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- All good entries answer the primary questions. The first question about clippers is, "How fast did they go?" So, any sourced text on this heading is grist to the mill. --Wetman 22:27, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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- You find 20 knots hard to believe ? Frigates of the beginning of the 19th century were quite often reaching the 18 knots... (with awfully anti-hydrodynamic hull shapes :p ) Rama 13:27, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
However I just removed the 35 knots top speed from the 'The China Clippers and the Epitome of Sail' section. I guess someone confused wind speed with boat speed here. You find a lot of articles that go up to 20 knots and a bit over what is a great speed already. Take into concideration: the boat is at 35 knots means around 50 knots + wind speed resulting in 8 meters + waves ... rummsmummel 14:39, 16 Nov 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Clippers and economic context
User:AlainV has made a suggestive connection between clipper production and economic bust times. I only query his "1855" instead of the more general bank and market "Crash of 1857". Could the familiar date be substituted, or is there more information? --Wetman 09:46, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] "Aerial Clippers"
I have never seen this term used elsewhere; as far as I know the term was "flying clipper." Can anyone think of a good reason why I shouldn't change the wording?J S Ayer 02:20, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
- "Flying clippers" is right. --Wetman 02:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
We don't have to use a word because it's been used before. The trouble with 'flying' is that the big German ships were given names beginning with 'P', Pamir, Preussen and so on. They came to be known as the 'Flying Ps'. The word 'flyer' was frequently used in connection with fast ships. 'Aerial' sees a good adjective for the aeroplanes - that's what they were. (RJP 21:59, 2 February 2006 (UTC))
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- ("Flying clippers" was the common expression nevertheless.) --Wetman 08:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Move this Title to disambiguation
Does anyone else think that this page should be a disambiguation page, with Clipper (sailing) as a separate page? There are enough other topics under "clipper" to warrent this. Fresheneesz 21:19, 2 February 2006 (UTC) the creater is me
