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Contents 1 Welcome to Wikipedia! 2 Don't Forget 3 Nip/Tuck episodes 4 List of the Soprano episodes 5 History of logarithms 6 WikiProject Degrassi 7 Help with List of That '70s Show episodes 8 CineVoter 9 Hi Cliff Smith 9.1 Partisans and Factions, Reformers and Conservatives 9.2 Cliff 10 Ratings box 11 Smallville 12 Royale

[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!

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[edit] Don't Forget

... to sign your posts on talk pages by typing Xiong Chiamiov :: contact :: 22:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC). If you don't, some people will get rather pissy! Cool. Xiong Chiamiov :: contact :: 22:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nip/Tuck episodes

Thank you so much for cleaning that up! It looks SO much more organized now! BigD527 04:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem. It was bugging me that it was just a table, so after I learned about WP:LOE, I decided to change it. It all took about 1½ hours, but I think it was worth it. And thank you for your feedback. --Cliff smith 04:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of the Soprano episodes

Just wanted to drop a note of thanks for your work on improving the list of Soprano episodes. Your additions have been invaluable, and here's hoping it makes FL status. And additional praise for the quick work on the spoiler free version, even though its future is, eugh, uncertain at best. Qjuad 07:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your thanks :) it is very much appreciated. Cliff smith 17:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, the page wouldn't be featured if it wasn't for your help and the other three. Good work! Sfufan2005 00:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Congrats all round. Qjuad 10:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations Cliff, your hard work has paid off with the LOE making featured episodes.--Opark 77 13:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of logarithms

Hi Cliff; next time you get a redirect error like that, check for a "double redirect" - essentially your redirect was pointing at logarithms which then redirects to logarithm. The software can't follow that chain (partly to avoid getting caught in an a→b→c→a loop). I fixed your redirect to point to the actual article instead of deleting it, hope that's okay. -- nae'blis 19:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

That's perfectly fine. Thanks for your help; I understand redirects better now. :] —Cliff smith 00:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Degrassi

Hello Cliff smith,

Thanks for joining WikiProject Degrassi. We appreciate all volunteers. Cheers. :) --theblueflamingo^Squawk 02:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help with List of That '70s Show episodes

As you know, I'm trying to promote this to a Featured List, but pretty much all alone in managing it. If you have any knowledge of the show or are interested in helping me out with expanding summaries, I would appreciate it. If not, that's OK, too. Thanks for your support. – Zone46 14:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I have put a link to the IMDB episode listings for the show on the talk page for the LOE (list of episodes). I hope that the short summaries there can help with adding to those here. Cliff smith 18:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CineVoter

You voted for the Cinema Collaboration of the week, and it has been chosen as Casino Royale (2006 film). Please help improve it to match the quality of an ideal Wikipedia film article.

This is an automated notice by BrownBot 20:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I have been imporving Casino Royale. I really think its almost ready now for a FA. The special effects details really asserts that we know what we are tlaking about using inside information released in the documentraies. Give it a week with a bit of copy editing and I am going to propose it for an FA ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 20:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

It's definitely looking good. As I've suggested before, I strongly recommend a peer review once the collaboration week is over. If not the peer review, we could copy/paste the FA criteria on the talk page and strike each criterion as we verify that Casino Royale meets it. Cliff smith 23:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Cliff Smith

I noticed your changes to the citations part, and I agree. Thanks. However, did you just delete an enormous part of the article? All of the sudden the entire beginning section to Reformers and Conservatives is missing, and has been merged accidentally with Relations with the Liao.

Is there a way to retrieve all of that info? I hope it is not lost.

--PericlesofAthens 03:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Umm, nope; I only changed all of the notes. But don't worry because nothing can really be lost. Check the little "history" tab at the top of the article and you'll see the logs of each and every edit ever made (for any article). Hope this helps =) Cliff smith 03:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I just checked the last changes in the history tab, and it looks as if you made a little goof there. The last change before yours was by User:AQu01rius, and looking at his changes to the page it looks fine. But when I look at the very last edit to the page, yours, the page itself shows the part I was asking about as missing. It's ok, I'll copy and paste and find the couple of ref's from the Ebrey book that were lost.

--PericlesofAthens 03:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh crap, I'm sorry about that. But that just makes me more thankful for those history logs. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll have to make sure I don't do that again. Good luck on the FAC, it's a good article. Cliff smith 03:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, hold on, maybe it's something you can fix. When I go to edit the page, the missing info is there! It just doesn't show up when you look at the article normally. This is the chunk that is missing visually:

[edit] Partisans and Factions, Reformers and Conservatives

After students passed the often difficult, bureaucratic, and heavily-demanding Imperial Exams, as they became officials, they did not always see eye to eye with others that had passed the same examination. Even though they were fully-fledged graduates ready for government service, there was always the factor of competition with other officials. Promotion to a higher post, higher salary, additional honors, and selection for choice assignment responsibilities were often uncertain, as young new officials often needed higher-ranking officials to recommend them for their services. Once an official would rise to the upper echelons of central administration based in the capital, they would often compete with others over influence of the emperor's official adoption of state policies. Officials with different opinions on how to approach administrative affairs often sought out other officials for support, leading to pacts of rivaling officials lining up political allies at court to sway the emperor against the faction they disagreed with.

Factional strife at court first became apparent during the 1040s AD, with a new state reform initiated by Fan Zhongyan. Fan was a capable military leader (with successful battles in his record against the Tanguts of Xi-Xia) but as a minister of state he was known as an idealist, once saying that a well-minded official should be one that was "first in worrying about the world's troubles and last in enjoying its pleasures".^[1] When Fan rose to the seat of Chancellor, there was a growing opposition to him within the older and more conservative crowd. They disliked his pushing for reforms for the recruitment system, higher pay for minor local officials to discourage against corruption, and wider sponsorship programs to ensure that officials were drafted more on the basis of their intellect and character. However, his reforms were cancelled within a year's time (with Fan replaced as Chancellor), since many older officials who were halfway through their careers were not keen on making changes that could affect their comfortably-set positions.^[1]

Did you accidentally write a reference wrong in there? So that this would disappear from sight of the article? I'm no expert on this ref stuff.

--PericlesofAthens 03:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cliff

Please change this soon, or I will undo your edits. I don't want this missing from the article.

--PericlesofAthens 03:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Chill. I'll try fix it. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 03:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem now, it was just a simple backslash that you forgot in one of the Ebrey refs (I cannot believe I just spotted that!). I was getting antsy because other people were starting to review the article now, and it would have made it look pretty awkward.

--PericlesofAthens 04:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh sorry. I had signed off and I couldn't check it out. Again, I apologize for the error. Cliff smith 15:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ratings box

Just wondering what the problem is with the ratings box? My good amigo User:Luigibob spent some time adding information for the rtings in each country but it was reverted within seconds? What is the objection to the ratings box> It exists in thousands of articles some of which are FA so how can providing rleease information and classification be a crime. That Casino Royale page is like DFort KNox -I'm worried someone is going to delete my special effects work too ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 16:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

If the ratings box was WP:NOT I really don't think the template for the box would be allowed to exist ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 16:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

That's what I think too. Cliff smith 16:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

And about the awards I fully agree the full information shuld be written concisely into the paragraph and it does repeat itself in places. I also added an image of the DVD if noone objects friend!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 16:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I saw the picture. It's just that it has a watermark in the lower right corner. Cliff smith 16:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I added te better official dvd poster before displaying the release which looked tidy and was appropriate but it got reverted. I had added this but it got removed

♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 16:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. Well this poster picture looks fine, but I think just a picture of the front of the DVD would be good. Cliff smith 16:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Honestly mate its like facing a brick wall!!! The only quality image I found of the cover was on www.mI6 but it had their site logo in the corner. Maybe see if there a any good ones on amazon or ebay or something ? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 16:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Good thinking; they tend to have quality photos that would be ideal for this. Cliff smith 16:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Done it replaced it but I would really prefer this image ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 16:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahh. Just seen that it too has a watermark. Can't we just keep this image? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 16:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, as long as the fair use rationale is accounted for, it should be okay. Cliff smith 16:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

All the plain dvd covers have watermarks that I have found I just looked ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 16:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I did a Google search that led me to the Circuit City website, which has a picture without watermark here. I've got to go, but I hope we get this sorted out. HTH.
Cliff smith 16:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smallville

Appreciate the addition and the vote, but there are two things that need attention. First, we don't fair use rationales for all those DVD covers (which is ok, because I can fix that as soon as I finish this message), but the other is that all 5 seasons haven't been released. Season 5 in Region 4 isn't released till April. Now, your template says April 1, but from individuals whom I've spoken with that live in that region, they say it isn't getting released till April 4. If it's April 1, that's ok, because it's April 1 somewhere right about now, but if it's the 4th, then we need to make the page respresent that until the 4th arrives.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't catch that. Hah, and I'm presently at a loss as to how I didn't catch that. Well, we could either list the date as TBA or put the date you know of. Simple fix. TYVM for pointing that out. Cliff smith 03:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

We're all squared away now. If you think it's right, we can copy the references for the DVDs, on Smallville (TV series), and put them on that DVD list on the LOE page. I had those nice gents from region 4 find all the references for the release dates for that section (region 4 is hard to verify sometimes). Either way, they are on the main Smallville page.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Cool. You've done a great job with the LOE. I hope it gets to FL, and I have a feeling it will (hope that wasn't a jinx lol). Cliff smith 17:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I just need a fair use rationale for the title screen in the infobox (which I'll do later, I'm about to vacate my domicile for a bit), then I guess I'll nominate it for FA. If it doesn't pass, at least I know I'll get some good feedback for improvement.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

It souldn't be. We have like 5 or 6 supports (can't remember w/out looking), and it's been on there for almost 10 days. I think the only thing that is left is for an admin to come by and archive the candidacy and give it the FA stamp of approval. I hope it works out, because I'm working a list of Incredible Hulk episodes in the same format, but I'm going to add plots for those because there doesn't really seem to be a demand for in dividual episode articles for that show (thank god...sorry, but I personally hate individual episode articles because there are usually riddled with junk. I think there is a reason only the House pilot is FA). Although, I did work on Aquaman (TV program), we have it at GA, but I'd like to get it to FA. Do you have any suggestions for that?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

You've done a good job on it; and I agree that there's a serious lack of quality as far as episode articles go. As long as there's no problems with the pictures, this looks like it's just about ready for FAC. Cliff smith 19:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Royale

Yes as you can see I have considerably altered the article today. I hope everyone likes it its does read more professionally now I think. I am proposing it for an FA on Tuesday. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 22:04, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I hope the FAC will go well. Cliff smith 00:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

To let you know that Casino Royale (2006 film) has undergone improvement in the last week and I have now nominated it for Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. I would very much appreciate you taking the time to review the article and state your opinion. Unfortunately even the dvd cover was deleted. Thankyou. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E"} 09:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)