Talk:Closed city
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Perhaps a Category:Closed Cities would be useful? Seabhcán 16:44, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- But the name should be Category:Closed cities or even Category:Soviet closed cities. BTW, does this notion exist in other countries? China? USA? Mikkalai 18:56, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Closed cities in China & US?
There are closed cities in China also, anybody know details of this? Also, I think Los Alamos, New Mexico could have been described as a closed city during the 1940's. Seabhcán 18:09, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] More
Weren't the following also closed cities:
- Perm, in the Perm Oblast?
- Kurchatov, Kazakhstan?
- Gorki?
-- John Fader (talk | contribs)19:04, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- AFAIK, Perm wasn't a closed city, and Gorky as well. On the other hand Izhevsk probably was, because it was one of the centers of weapon producing. Grue 06:16, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- There were two degrees of closeness: closed for foreigners and closed even for Russians. IMO Gorky was closed for foreigners, but this is just my opinion, a hint for further search. Mikkalai 16:23, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Several (western, touristy) sites describe Perm in the former category (as it was a centre of weapons manufacture). -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 17:37, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- There were two degrees of closeness: closed for foreigners and closed even for Russians. IMO Gorky was closed for foreigners, but this is just my opinion, a hint for further search. Mikkalai 16:23, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- When I was in Barnaul (Altai region) they told me that that city used to be closed. In fact they were still unusually strict about me being registered officially. Seabhcán 10:22, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Kazan? Mikkalai 16:52, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Additions
I agree a category is a good idea. I added stubs for Zheleznogorsk and Snezhinsk; I found these at the Nuclear Cities Initiative (NCI)site. - --Zegoma beach 17:30, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Ambiguity---still closed?
Are these cities still closed? The article is ambiguous. Can someone who knows explain it? grendel|khan 14:54, 2005 Mar 24 (UTC)
- I am assuming you are asking about the major cities mentioned, not the "nuclear cities", which are clearly said still closed.
- Kaliningrad, Gorky, Sevastopol are open now, but I don't know since when (some time after 1991). Mikkalai 16:14, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I think the ambiguity is real. I just got my Russian visa renewed and was given a print-out of 'restricted' cities. These are "Kazan, Samara, Vladivostok, Habarovsk, Irkutsk, Barnaul, Petropavlosk-Kamchatsky, Petrozavodsk, Sahalin, Stavropol, Perm and Rostov". The print-out doesn't explain what 'restricted' means, but just says these cities have 'a somewhat complicated registration procedure'. They are certainly not closed - I have been in Barnaul. The only difference there with resprect to other cities, is that registration in the hotel is stricter. Seabhcán 08:47, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] List
From some russian chat:
В СССР все закрытые территории составляли 20 % площади. По мнению экспертов, сегодня открыта и нанесена на карты примерно половина из них. Официально на сегодня список закрытых городов Минатома включает 10 названий:
Саров (Арзамас-16, Шатки-11, Москва-300, Кремлев)
Железногорск (Красноярск-26, Соцгород, Атомград)
Заречный (Пенза-19)
Снежинск (Челябинск-70)
Северск (Томск-7)
Озерск (Челябинск-65)
Трехгорный (Златоуст-36)
Зеленогорск (Красноярск-45)
Лесной (Свердловск-45)
Новоуральск (Свердловск-44)
гражданам России за месяц до поездки в Норильск нужно будет подавать в местные органы ФСБ прошение с указанием приглашающей норильской фирмы или организации
Проблемы развития наукоградов России #9-10, 1999:
Naukograds of Russia 1 Балашиха-1, Московская область 2 Белоозерский, Московская область 3 Бийск, Алтайский край 4 Борок, Ярославская область 5 Дзержинск, Нижегородская область 6 Дзержинский, Московская область 7 Димитровград, Ульяновская область 8 Дмитров-7, Московская область 9 Долгопрудный, Московская область 10 Дубна, Московская область 11 Железногорск (Красноярск-26), Красноярский край 12 Железнодорожный, Московская область 13 Жуковский, Московская область 14 Заречный, Свердловская область 15 Заречный (Пенза-19), Пензенская область 16 Звездный городок, Московская область 17 Зеленогорск (Красноярск-45), Красноярский край 18 Зеленоград (Москва - на территории Московской области) 19 Иркутского НЦ РАН академгородок, Иркутская область 20 Истра, Московская область 21 Климовск, Московская область 22 Кольцово, Новосибирская область 23 Королев (Калининград), Московская область 24 Красноармейск, Московская область 25 Краснодар-59, Краснодарский край 26 Краснознаменск (Голицино-2), Московская область 27 Краснообск, академгор. Сиб. отд. РАСХН, Новосибирская область 28 Красноярского НЦ РАН академгородок, Красноярский край 29 Лесной (Свердловск-45), Сведловская область 30 Лыткарино, Московская область 31 Меленки, Владимирская область 32 Менделеево, Московская область 33 Миасс, Челябинская область 34 Нижняя Салда, Сведловская область 35 Новосибирск-49, Новосибирская область 36 Новосибирского НЦ РАН академгородок, Новосибирская область 37 Новостройка, Московская область 38 Новоуральск, Сведловская область 39 Обнинск, Калужская область 40 Оболенск, Московская область 41 Озерск (Челябинск-40,Челябинск-65), Челябинская область42Омск-5, Омская область 43 Орево, Московская область 44 Осташков-3, Тверская область 45 Переславль-Залесский,Ярославская область 46 Пермь-6, Пермская область 47 Правдинск, Нижегородская область 48 Приморск, Лининградская область 49 Протвино, Московская область 50 Пущино, Московская область 51 Радужный, Владимирская область 52 Редкино, Тверская область 53 Реммаш, Московская область 54 Реутов, Московская область 55 Саров (Кремлев, Арзамас-16), Нижегородская область 56 Северск (Томск-7), Томская область 57 Снежинск (Челябинск-70), Челябинская область 58 Сосновый бор, Ленинградская область 59 Томского НЦ РАН академгородок, Томская область 60 Трехгорный (Златоуст-36), Челябинская область 61 Троицк, Московская область 62 Усть-Катав,Челябинская область 63 Фрязино, Московская область 64 Химки, Московская область 65 Черноголовка, Московская область 66 Юбилейный, Московская область
БОЛТУН - НАХОДКА ДЛЯ ШПИОНА! Mikkalai 16:52, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Rename?
Should the article (and the corresponding category) be renamed? There are plenty of ZATOs in Russia which are not cities/towns. How about moving this to Closed settlement or some other name that would not be so ambiguous and/or restrictive?—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 19:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
