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Contents 1 Removal of staff listing in the summary... 2 Ashford Academy 3 Characters section 4 New Section Proposal 5 Offical Names 6 Guren vs Crismon 7 Worth adding? 8 Allusion to the Holy Roman Empire? 9 Lancelot's Slash Harken 10 Wheres Pizza Hut?? 11 OP2 "Indecipherable" 12 Episode 22: What does the Emperor have to do with the Geass

[edit] Removal of staff listing in the summary...

I'd like to go through the history and put this information back somewhere; soliciting suggestions as to where to put it. (under a "Staff" section?)

I have a particular vested interest in ensuring that Eiji Nakada's name is tied to the project in the article, as I find mechanical designers are regrettably overlooked by US anime enthusiasts. (Then again, this is coming from the guy who's been singlehandedly overhauling Kunio Okawara's article; guess I'm a little bit biased). --E. Megas 21:18, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ashford Academy

What academic calender does the school follow? The traditional British system or the Japanese system? -Atashi 23:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Well that depends. Does the British school system start at grade one when a student first hits high school? If they don't then I would say it follows the Japanese sysem because all of the students have school grades such as 1 or 2 indicating a Japanese system or at least not an American one. Lordfani 08:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I would say its the Japanese system due to British system is about how old you are and most characters are too old for the last year of Secondary School (same as high school, year 11 is the last year of school and the students are about 16 years old) most the characters would be first year of college if they started right after school.

Jim-San 03:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Just for reference British school tends to go like this, starting from an age roughly appropriate to the characters in Code Geass:

Compulsory: Secondary School: Split into Years 7 (students aged 11) through to Year 11 (students aged at most 16). The whole spectrum of subjects.
Option: 6th form/College: Aged 16-19, though older students are usually accepted for whatever reason. Generally pick 3 subject. This is soon to change.
Option: University: Aged 18+. I don't think I need to explain this. :)

That said, if it is meant to be British school (that is, based on real British school) then Lelouch and co. would have to be 16 or less - while they are in fact 17. That's because colleges and above don't have a dress-code, though I suppose the team could use the excuse that it's an "upper class school". It's all very tenuous anyway; while they would be either doing A Levels (college) if they were in a present day British school, since it's set in 10 years time things may well have changed by then. As I said, the A Levels are already on their way out now, so... 82.36.209.171 19:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Characters section

The Code Geass series is still running and ongoing, so I personally think it is more suitable if a characters sub-article, if it was really necessary, be created only after the completion of the full series, so as to make the editing and improvement of the overall article easier and more organized, for the time being. When the series is completed, a characters sub-article should then be proposed for creation. Ganryuu (talk) 15:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe most pepole know of the old 32kb limit (if not, see Wikipedia:Article size). The current article is 40kb, which is mainly the characters section. In my opinion, it should be divided. So what if the series isn't finished yet? They already presented over 20 charcters. That surely demands it's own article! What shouldn't deserve it's own article yet is personal charcter article, but a list is fine. Again, IMO. Kurigiri 16:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

So, I tried creating a list. If there won't be any objections (or any comments, like up till now), I'll make an article for it in 3 days. Kurigiri 17:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The series is still ongoing, therefore there is perhaps a lot of information yet to be revealed, not only characters but other factors of the series, such as terminology, the Knighmare Frames, the power of Geass, and other concepts. It is therefore much easier and more manageable for all concerned to edit and make improvements to one, organized main article, through its different sections. When the series is complete, I believe then should be the best time for other sub-articles, but not now, in my opinion. Ganryuu (talk) 12:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

As I said before, what does it matter that the series is still ongoing? That does not change the fact that they have already revealed alot of information. Besides, the series is planned to have 25 episodes. To keep it another 4 months on one article? It's already seeping out of the old limitations.

The current list is without a doubt the main core of the article, but it shouldn't. While editing the chara section, the other sections (which aren't any less important) are neglected. By dividing the characters section into an article of it's own, it'll be far easier to reach all the sections. Also, I don't understand - by cramming all the information on one article it'll be easier for editors? how? Kurigiri 14:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

As the series is an ongoing one, there is therefore indeed much left to be revealed, especially about the main characters, so I think it best a characters section be created when a complete amount of information is revealed, to provide ample space for expansion. In my humble opinion, I don't really think the other sections are being neglected, instead I actually believe they've been expanded quite well over the past few months, but I think it would be much easier to manage the overall article, for the time being, if the format is left within one article. Ganryuu (talk) 14:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

But we may never know when will new inforamtion come out, even after the of the series. Because this is an ongoing article series, it may be easier to start it's related article now, since there are some things (such as minor characters who are nothing but a first name or a last name) which shouldn't be written on the main article. Mainly since the main article should consist of the main info, like.. basic information on the main charcters, and a link to the character list.

If by keeping it in one article, you intend to "save some space", then Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia should answear that.

After a point, splitting an article into separate articles and leaving adequate summaries is a natural part of growth for a topic (see Wikipedia:Summary style).. As far as I see it, we've come to a point where we can split the article into seperate articles. Besides, we can update a character list just as good as we update the main article, just one more article on the watchlist. It is still practicly the same thing we've been doing up till now, isn't it? Kurigiri 15:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Any comments, Ganryuu? I'd like to have your agreement before creating the list, which I can't get unless you answer me :P Kurigiri 16:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Due to the article expanding rapidly and other reasons relating mostly to WP:FICTION, I decided to go ahead and split the characters section into an article of its own. Ganryuu (talk) 05:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Section Proposal

I propose there should be a section about the Pizza Hut sightings, or at least a mention of it, in Code Geass, because the product placement of Pizza Hut in the anime seems to have taken a role as an in-fandom meme. It's made it's mark in the Geass fandom ranging from the fansubbers webpage including a sightings list, to the main Pizza Hut article even mentioning Code Geass, to the seemingly widespread inside one-liner, "PIZZA HUT SUPPORTS THE REBELLION". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fall Showers (talk • contribs) 03:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC).

I agree! I was going to add to C-2's character information that her favourite food is pizza hut.

But if we are going to add a new section, might be best to add it there. I mean what other anime series feature a current product placement?

I bet the animators are getting free pizza for a year or something :p While Pizza Hut isn't central to the story, it is feature almost regularly thoughout the episodes so far seen.

- Onizuka-gto 15:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

While this might be rather hilarious, it is however not notable or significant enough to have it included within the article, I'm afraid. Actually, there are several notable anime series to have incorporated product placement, for example - adidas directly sponsored the 2001 series Captain Tsubasa Road to 2002 (with adidas' logo appearing on the stadium boards, even on one of the main characters, Genzo's cap, which he always wears, by the way). See adidas's official website about Captain Tsubasa. PUMA also directly sponsored Hungry Heart: Wild Striker. Ganryuu (talk) 17:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm also against this. While the Pizza Hut thing is amusing, the article is already big enough as it is. Please don't make it bloated with insignificant information. DarkWarrior 20:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It could probably fit in a trivia sectionThe one smiley to rule them all 04:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Isn't Pizza Hut a major sponsor of Code Geass? That should explain their placement and prominence in the series. - ULTRAZORD—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.187.177.15 (talk • contribs) 09:14, 3 February 2007.

[edit] Offical Names

Please don't change the names unless you're sure you're right. The current names (as many as I could find) are from an article in animage; scans here and here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.132.52.223 (talk • contribs) 02:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC).

Simple magazine articles are not official confirmation of any kind and such scans anyway are not notable enough for inclusion into a correctly referenced article. Ganryuu (talk) 14:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, if those are the official names, they're horrible romanizaion. For example, Nanari or Nanaly would make a lot more sense then Nunnaly. If they are not from Sunrise then I agree with not including it. 70.180.165.154 11:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guren vs Crismon

I think we should use Guren Mark 2 instead of Crismon Lotus, one of the reasons is just as GG Fansub sad“HEY, no one translated Akatsuki in Gundam SEED Destiny”. Also it is more logical to use Guren instead of Crismon because wikipedia is a encyclopedia. If GG-fansub doesn't translate it to Crismon then that piece of article wouldn't make much sense. So that's why I suggest that until other fansub groups decide what to use,whe should at least use Guren. Atilim,20 december 2006,7.45 Dutch time—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.147.106.216 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 20 December 2006.

I'd not rely on anything from fansubs, especially when only one English group is subbing Geass. If gg fansubs had another translator who preferred 'Crimson Lotus', then that would've been their release. Atashi 09:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Evens so, I still think that Guren is better because like you sad you prefer non translation and Crismon is a translation, we should stik with this to the name and not the fan name.Atilim,20 december 2006,—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.147.106.216 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 20 December 2006.

[edit] Worth adding?

Should a reference to the Geas from Celtic mythology? Yes, Original Research and all that, but I find it's more than a coincidence. I've been thinking of writing a sentence about it, but can't think where. Also, I think there should be explanations as to where the names of the mech names come from (The city of Gloucester in England, Sutherland in Scotland, etc.) Bnynms 17:44, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

The entire series has refernces to the UK like the chess, the Brtiannian naming, Lancelot. I think it has it's own part of the article, so yeah, feel free to add it. Kurigiri 18:02, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Where is this section then? I was also going to add that Glasgow is a famous Scottish city and that Yggdrasil (as in the cores of some of the Knightmares) is the Tree of Life.82.36.209.171 19:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Allusion to the Holy Roman Empire?

As I am sure some of you are aware, the Holy Britannia Empire is pretty much anything but its namesake (as the name itself is obviously derived from Germany's Holy Roman Empire). While it may have a 'British' facade, it definitely has a German heart. Historically, the British Empire was a naval power, rather than a land-based one. That honor, of course, belonged to the Germans.

It is also quite interesting how the producers decided to coin this show's signature mechas as the Royal Panzer Infantry, as I'd imagine the word Panzer would have been an affront to British sensitivities. Perhaps it would be better to call them ReichsPanzerInfanterie. Not to mention the ideas of competition and eugenics were both very central to National Socialist ideology.

I suppose the producers did not wish to create an authoritarian regime with a German foundation, since it may be slightly offensive, not to mention they would have had excessive difficulties with German vocabulary.

Regardless, I believe an article regarding the connections of the Holy Britannia Empire to its historical counterpart, the Holy Roman Empire, may be appropriate. - Tak—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.156.42.49 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 26 December 2006.

Completly, but I mean COMPLETLY Original Research. Kurigiri 20:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lancelot's Slash Harken

If I'm not mistaken, there are at least two screenshots: here, here, and the cropped version of the last that show/imply that Lancelot doesn't have two, but four slash-harkens instead, two more located on its hips. Should I edit? Dr. Rondart 13:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)Dr. RondartDr. Rondart 13:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wheres Pizza Hut??

Seeing Pizza Hut is thrown everywhere, why no mention of Pizza Hut's support of the rebellion?--293.xx.xxx.xx 05:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

What is the significance of Pizza Hut to the overall plot? -Atashi 05:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Look up at the new section proposal in here - ULTRAZORD—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.187.177.15 (talk • contribs) 09:14, 3 February 2007.

I think it should at least be in a trivia section, as it has an abnormal amount of exposure in the series. Although I don't think they "support the rebellion" by any intent, it does come up extremely often and is the subject of a lot of curiosity. -Biokinetica 04:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Surely this is either a sponsorship that manifests itself within the episodes via product placement rather than at the traditional point at the end of the opening credits, or merely just a little tribute to Pizza Hut by fans on the animation team? I know this is even worse than anecdotal evidence, but if I had creative control over a movie or TV series, I would add in lots of little touches with beer brands and snacks brands that my friends and I enjoy. Directors often put in songs that they like or posters of their favourite movies in the background. OT, but in the X-Files movie, Mulder urinates onto a poster of Independence Day. I think it's obvious that that's all this is. 82.36.209.171 18:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• I disagree that it's so obvious. Either there's something more than "we like pizza hut" behind this, or these guys are just three-topping-circle fanatics that need to find some other foods they like and want to worship through their animation. No personal director's choice gets anywhere near this amount of exposure. -Biokinetica 16:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OP2 "Indecipherable"

Apparently some fans have found it to be really "Indecipherable". That is to say, not even native speakers of Japanese can make out what the song is singing about, not without a lyric sheet or sth. Some people have made videos with "alternative" and rather funny lyrics. Maybe that's good for starting a trivia section? There used to be several related videos on Youtube, but they have been removed "due to use violation". The only one I can find now is this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7ndeQMVgJM Would anybody search for alternative sites plz... try keywords like 解読不能　空耳字幕, etc. Nautilusfossil 17:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The talk page, as detailed in the talk header, is to be used for discussing improvements to the Code Geass article, and not for general discussion regarding the article's topic. Please also see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, where it is clearly detailed: Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought, Wikipedia is not a soapbox and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. ···巌流^{? · Talk to Ganryuu} 17:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. I was suggesting "improving" the article by adding this (possibly interesting) piece of information regarding OP2. Those comments on the lyric are not my original thought. It will not promote anything (as in soapbox), nor will it be about FAQs, travel guides, memorials, manuals, internet guides, textbooks, plot summary or the actual lyric (as in indiscriminate collection of information). However, this piece of information may be lacking in term of the "notability" criteria, having only been circulated as music videos and on various anime-related blogs. I wouldn't put it in right now. Maybe after some published work (magazine article, etc) mentions the song, it would be worth mentioning here. -Nautilusfossil 18:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode 22: What does the Emperor have to do with the Geass

A person bearing a great resemblance to the Emperor of Britannia appears in the first episode, during the "Contract" scene, the 18th episode(saying something of a 'mental elevator') and in episode 22, laughing and saying that the/an idiot did 'it'. We should mention the possibility of this man being the Emperor (how many have their hair like THAT?) and of his apparent knowledge about the Geass. It might have something to do with the other name of the Geass, "the power of the king". I haven't seen all of the episodes, so if someone knows something that I don't about this issue, please contact me.- Preda 20:36 27 of March 2007

Completely off-the-wall explanations aside, he's the Emperor of Britannia for sure - the appearance is identical and there has been no reason presented to believe that it is a completely different character who is merely identical in appearance. Imban 19:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)