Talk:Comparison of high definition optical disc formats

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I have removed "Universal is rumored to include Blu-ray Disc support in the future." There is no evidence to support this claim. ~Michael

1 eproduct wars
2 Rights Restriction?
3 Title, etc
4 Copy and Paste?
5 Laser Availability?
6 Studios signed
7 Organization of article
8 Clean up Needed?
9 MPEG Audio
10 Cited as a source

[edit] eproduct wars

All of the rankings from the eproduct wars page, I believe, are a day-to-day sales ranking from amazon.com. Since day-to-day figures fluctuate erratically, I wonder if they should just all be removed from the article 4.18.224.165 21:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

It should be replaced with an external link. Zojj 07:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It should be updated, when possible, but make sure a date is included on the day you included the numbers. Like today, I will say that these numbers reflect records from 02/07/07, plus a note about how the numbers change daily. Fermentor 06:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rights Restriction?

Is there a need for comparison in this article of the different copyright-enforcement strategies built in to each standard? Blu Ray is more restrictive on the rights available to media purchasers, via some measures that may be encyclopedically significant. Paul.w.bennett 21:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title, etc

I've renamed/moved the page to a more encyclopedic-sounding name (it also allows for inclusion of other high def formats and not just HD DVD/BD). I'd been tempted to create an article like this for some time, but never did because I imagined it turning into a constant back and forth between proponents of both formats (just look at the AVS Forums for an example of format fanboyism gone wild). Here's hoping this article doesn't devolve into an edit war.

My advice to all who would consider editing this article: read up on WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:RS and WP:CITE before editing too heavily. —Locke Cole • t • c 06:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the best bet would be to maintain a standard of simply sales figures and technological specification comparisons, plus VERIFIED!!! problems with either systems. Personally, I've been totting a "Stop the MPAA" pin I bought from 2600 magazine back in 2001/2002 on my bag ever since then (and have gotten probably two questions about it at the most :(...). The pin and sticker campaign was meant to draw attention to this ridiculous format-war we're facing with DVD players. Personally, I'm f**king insulted by the MPAA and manufacturing mafia's atrocious attempt to get as much money as they can by trying to force users to pick their "superior" technology and yet be limited to buying half of the DVDs on the market as opposed to the current DVD standard where very studio releases. Plus I have this feeling that the HD-DVD and in particular the Blu-Ray formats are really going to fuck over the small distributors. Who's going to want to put out Blu-Ray versions of small indie films that did about 2 mill art-house? Bullocks. Like I said, keep it to standard, tech-and-sale-specific models for comparisons. Nothing unfounded like "My buddy heard that a bunch of Blu-Ray discs blew up" or "HD-DVD is totally for wankers". Fermentor 06:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copy and Paste?

The section on Total HD seems like it's practically identical to one I just read on X-Bit labs, a bit odd here. It seems like someone just cut it up, copied, and pasted it over here. 24.184.105.10 02:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Oops, I just read the whole thing and noticed that.. My bad 02:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it worried me a bit to have whole paragraphs cited from news sources without marking it more clearly. I'm looking up how to do just that thing right now. There are a couple of templates that should work. Paul.w.bennett 14:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Laser Availability?

I believe the section mentioning that Blu-ray has suffered from a shortage of the laser used to build the players should be removed; both HD DVD and Blu-ray use a 405nm, blue-violet, solid-state laser. A shortage of 405nm lasers should hurt both systems. Troy 23:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Studios signed

What studios have signed with BluRay and what with HDDVD? (separate for total) --Energman 20:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Organization of article

I would think that people who come to this page are mainly looking for the differences between the two disks. What if we were to add a table at the top of the article listing all of the differing criteria? Ie:

Disc Type:	Blu-ray	HD DVD	DVD (for comparison)
Standard capacity:	25 GB	30 GB	4.7 GB
Max one-side capacity:	50 GB	30 GB	8.5 GB
Avg. disc price^{[citation needed]}:	$18	$15	$1
Avg. player price^{[citation needed]}:	$800	$600	$60
Market Share^{[citation needed]}:	50%	50%	-
Developer:	Sony	Toshiba	Toshiba & Sony

This table could be followed by another table listing all similarities. Additional article sections would follow, detailing each category. Zojj 08:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

What does standard compacity mean? Most hd-dvd movies are released on 30GB disks. Standard should be 30. Daniel.Cardenas 14:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. "Standard" should be what 90% of the discs on the market use. If a standard size doesn't exist, lets word it another way. Zojj 19:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to show the price range of players? There can be a lot of cheap or expensive players but if you average out just raw number of models it can possible skew it higher or lower. -65.13.151.42

I agree, giving a range of prices is better than an average. Fermentor 06:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks good. I like average price, but perhaps add range also. I suggest you put it towards the beginning of the article. Thx - Daniel.Cardenas 04:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

what does average disk price mean? how much it costs to produce or how much it costs for the consumer, if it is the latter are you sure it is only 1 dollar? Tenio 18:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up Needed?

I just read this entire article and I found no reason for the "clean-up" tag. Should someone remove it?72.28.56.83 22:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I would disagree, this article is still very disorganized and mostly argumentative. Ray andrew 01:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MPEG Audio

WTF is MPEG audio? MPEG-1 part 3 Layer 3 audio? MPEG-1 part 3 layers 1-3 audio? MPEG-2/MPEG-4 AAC audio? --Tmh 04:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

If anything its the MPEG-1 Audio Layer II that was mandatory for European DVD players. But honestly I don't think its part of the spec for either hi def format as I have never seen any other mention of it. Unless it can be verified it should be removed. Ray andrew 05:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)